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To.

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Hey, Mike. How are you?

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Good. Hey, bud.

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Greetings all. How are we doing?

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Good. You, uh, you didn't have

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to get up and go to work today?

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No, no. I, I, I, I stuck around the house

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to watch my, uh, 4-year-old grandson, though, so that, that,

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that that was work.

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Yeah. Sometimes it's tougher.

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Mm-hmm.

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We, we get a lot accomplished though.

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I'll bet.

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Well,

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Mm-hmm.

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Four two

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road road wire on operating

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Bud. What's, what is that?

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Cb?

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Yeah. Yeah.

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No, so it's, you know, I have,

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I have, uh, fire radios in every house

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in every room of the house.

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Things don't change easily.

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It's probably background noise for you. Right,

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Exactly.

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I grew up that way too, so.

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Well, it's different when you,

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when it's a choice versus when it's a have to do,

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right. So.

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Exactly. Exactly.

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It's, uh, um, no,

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and I, I, I still run with the fire department and that, so,

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Yeah. Well,

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that's good.

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Mike, are you in Florida or you,

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you're not, you haven't left yet?

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I am leaving tomorrow at six o'clock in the morning.

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Can't wait, can you, Cannot wait.

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It's in the, uh, mid to upper eighties every day now.

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Uh, well, you'll be golfing.

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Yep. Yeah. Yep. I can't wait.

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That 80 degrees sounds wonderful,

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Doesn't it? Oh my

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gosh. It's been a long time.

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We're still getting feedback from the summit. It's funny.

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Can't believe that's three weeks ago. That's incredible.

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Yeah. Well, we lost, we lost a week

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or 10 days with that storm.

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I mean, we all came back and, you know, it's unbeliev.

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I, I, oh my God. Yeah. Hey, Jimmy.

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Hey. What's going on, Tom? Am I, am I going? Yeah, I'm on.

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Got audio. Yeah. Hey, Jim, guys,

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bud, you like joining us as like a retired guy now?

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Yeah, it's good. It's gonna be a new, uh, experience here.

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Well, hey, some, it was a nice writeup.

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Thank you. Thank you. It was

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Very nice writeup. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Mine was like a MF

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If you want, Jim, I could have AI write one up for you.

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I don't know if it would be any different, Tom,

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if it scrub, scrub the background.

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That's good.

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Okay. Ira.

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Hello there.

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Oh, did that come up? That,

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that AI thing come back on again?

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I gotta try and get rid of it.

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I just got a notice from read AI that I needed

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to upgrade my read ai, which I never had,

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and I can't find in any setting.

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So these, Jimmy these things are, um,

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I mean, they're like scary, smart.

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I know. But once they get in,

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and this is, this is happening more and more often, right.

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Um, on our Friday calls,

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and now there's a setting in Zoom that I didn't realize.

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Zoom has upgraded their software so

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that you can have it like required like a, like a meeting.

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Everybody's gotta register, like to log into the meeting

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and, and these AI bots won't do it.

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They can't pass the, the test there, right.

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So I just haven't gone to that one yet.

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But yeah, we're seeing it on our Friday calls.

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I mean, we're seeing it every, not on all calls,

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but it's, it's these things, these things get in there

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and it's, you can't get 'em out.

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You can't find 'em to delete 'em. It's really crazy.

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Yeah. I can, I can find it when,

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when it comes up in teams, which is a different,

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it's a different re but the same thing.

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I can get it out of the meeting. Right.

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But I can't seem to get it out of this meeting.

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Yeah. Well, I get, I gotta, as the host, I got,

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I got a notice, I refuse it, and then can,

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Can you make it go away? 'cause

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Yeah, yeah. No, I,

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I do. I've got a participants list

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and it's not on it now.

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It was, but I turned. Okay. Yeah.

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So now that I understand how it works, um, it's,

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uh, it's easier to solve.

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The other thing I've gotta do is going forward, I need

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to put all my email addresses under a contact list.

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And when I do the invite to a meeting,

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I just do the contact list, not all the emails.

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Okay. That, that protects everybody against these readers.

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Spamming you with offers, right? Uh, yeah.

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They're, they're incestuous,

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man. These things are great. Well, I

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Think they, they, it, it might still see the emails

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because the contact list just, it does send to everyone.

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If, if, if you, you, you have to start all over.

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You gotta delete the email. Oh, yeah.

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You have to, you have to delete it all out and start over.

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Unfortunately. That's why I haven't done it yet.

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So, Hey, Chris. Hey, John.

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Hello everyone. Hey, do I,

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I'm, so, I'm sorry I missed the, uh, the retreat.

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Yeah, it was, um, I think I put the,

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I put the, uh, the replay links.

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Jim, if you don't have 'em, let me know.

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I'll resend 'em. No, you

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Did. You did. I, I,

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I admit I didn't get around.

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Uh, yeah, it was, it was, um, the, uh,

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the private sector panel

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and the state director panel was really good.

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The board call was, was really good.

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Um, those were kind of the two set. I've heard 'em all.

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So those were kind of two, I think you'd get the most

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out of it the end of the day.

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It was, uh, it was just good getting people together.

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And, um, I, I think we got some really good recommendations.

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One, we'll talk, Hey, Chris, one

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of 'em we'll talk about today with, with, uh, with Walmart.

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Uh, hey, Chris Eldar.

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Uh, John and I, uh, I heard John and I met with Tyler today.

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I heard, okay. Good. Ba baby steps.

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We just gotta figure out How to do

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that transaction. That's all.

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Yep. Very good. Hey, Lee.

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Good afternoon. Okay,

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let me, uh,

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1, 2, 3, 4, 5.

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Okay, we, Chris, we have a quorum.

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Sounds good, Tom, let's kick into the gym.

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Alright, very good.

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Uh, so first, by way of, uh, introductions,

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why don't we just go around the horn, um,

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so everybody has a chance to meet Lee and vice versa.

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So I'll just call your name out

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and, uh, your name, organization, and role.

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So, um, let's see.

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Upper left corner, I'll start with Tom Hyatt

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and it'll go to Jim Sheen. Tom,

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Hi, all. I'm Tom Hyatt

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and I'm the general

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counsel for the consortium.

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Okay. Jim Sheen. Jim

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Sheen. I'm the, uh,

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program manager for the Jersey City, Newark,

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sse, and like a, a, a long term hanger on to, uh,

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to, to the consortium.

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Very good. Uh, we'll go to Mike

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and then Ira Mike Ambrosio.

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Uh, Mike Ambrosio retired, uh, formerly

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with Wakefern Food Corp.

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Uh, ShopRite Supermarkets.

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I was the, uh, vice President of Compliance

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and Quality Assurance.

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Okay. Ira. Hey, uh, IRA Tananbaum, uh,

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assistant Commissioner for External Affairs

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and Strategic Partnerships at New York City Emergency

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Management now under the leadership of Christina Farrell.

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Okay, very good.

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Uh, let's go to John Nar and then Bud Mez.

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Hi everyone, this is John Molnar.

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I'm the director of the Program Management Office here at

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the Consortium.

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So, okay, bud.

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And good afternoon, everybody.

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I'm Bud Mertz, and, uh, I can officially say I'm retired.

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Uh, Westmoreland County Public Safety Director here in

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Southwestern Pennsylvania.

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Okay. Are You really retired, bud?

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This is, this is some way to spend your retirement.

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It's been only a day and you're back in.

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Wow. You just, You retire not too long ago, didn't

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You? Yeah, exactly.

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That, that was difficult. No,

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He's retired. Look how

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he looks.

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Look at that. That's great. All right.

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Now, now. Okay. Chris Ebra. Then we'll go to Kelly.

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And then Chris Aldar. So, Ebra, Chris,

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Uh, Chris Eisenberg, senior Director, preparedness

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and, um, recovery policy at the Anderson Electric Institute.

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And, uh, uh, if you recall, I was on the panel with you.

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Very good. Uh, Kelly.

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Hey, Lee, Kelly McKinney.

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Uh, we know each other,

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but, um, here in, uh, uh, NYU Langone in New York.

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Okay. And Chris Galhart.

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Hey, Lee, we've talked, um, president

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of the All Hazard Consortium Board.

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Luckily to have such an esteem group of colleagues on here

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with me that, uh, are just as much a glutton for punishment

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as I am for over a bunch of years.

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Very good. Did I miss anybody? I know Lee.

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Good to have friends. Uh, good afternoon everyone.

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Lee Seiler, uh, director of Readiness, um,

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Walmart Emergency Management.

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Uh, been in this, uh,

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been been doing disaster response in some former fashion

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for, uh, going on 25 years.

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Okay, very good. So, um, as many of you already know, um,

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Lee, myself, uh, Lee probably spoke with a number

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of you at the summit, but

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after the summit, uh, we chatted, uh, Kelly was able

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to join a call with Lee and I, um,

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and I invited him on to come kind

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of go deeper into his, his thought here.

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I put a draft together.

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Lee, I assume you got the draft here.

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I sent it out to the board for review.

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It's a, it's a rough draft, but, um, when Lee, when Lee

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and I first spoke about it, he said, you know, we need

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to redefine public-private partnerships.

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And, you know, I just resonated with that

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because those of us have been in the business know

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that term has been used over and over and over

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and really means nothing, right.

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Uh, today it's kinda like, you know, these colloquialisms

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that get used and abused for years and years.

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But anyway, it was a great idea.

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And of course, the, the other big theme coming outta the

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summit was both on the state

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and the industry side, was, you know,

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this is the time, right?

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We are at a, a, a moment in time, I think, as a group, uh,

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to kind of redefine and improve a lot of things.

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And so this is one, so I asked Lee to jump on, uh,

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and kind of give us his thoughts of, you know, one,

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the summit and two, kind of what brought this idea, uh,

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into the, into play.

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So, Lee, uh, thanks for joining us,

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and, um, the microphone is yours.

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Thank you. Uh, well, well, thinking back to the summit,

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um, uh, really appreciate being a part of that.

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I, I think that there was a lot

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of really great conversation that came out of that.

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Um, loved getting together with the PSLs.

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I don't think that there's enough opportunities for us

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to be able to do that, uh,

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and be able to build that relationship with them.

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And, and, uh, we certainly don't know enough about their

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role, and they don't know enough about ours.

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Um, uh, from a, from a private sector, um, uh, point

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of view, uh, to see how we can work better together on,

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on a regular basis, whether it's blue skies

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or gray skies or dark skies.

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Uh, how do, if they, if they have a better understanding of

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what our capacity is from the private sector,

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they have a better idea how they might be able to tap into

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that, or what, what we may be able to bring to the table,

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uh, and the level of expertise that we bring to the table.

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I, I think that, um, in emergency management,

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there's still a lot of people that think, oh,

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businesses are just all about business.

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And, and they don't know anything about emergency management

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or how to respond or, or any of those types of things.

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Um, um, hopefully I'm wrong.

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Uh, but, uh, the more conversations I have, the more,

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the more I come to that realization of, uh, there are a lot

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of people out there that just don't know what we,

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what we do on a day in and day out basis, and,

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and what expertise and what thought processes, uh, we bring

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to the table, uh, to be able to help solve solutions.

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Uh, so, so that the, the,

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the meeting really resonated with me.

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Uh, and, and, uh, I've been thinking about about this for,

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for quite a while because my, part of my role here

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of readiness is I really think of everything left of boom,

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uh, as my boss would say.

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And, uh, having good strong partners

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and relationships is a part of that.

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So, uh, uh, part of my title is Public-Private Partnerships.

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Um, but the more conversations I have on,

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on public-private partnerships, it, it, they, it kind

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of gets watered down between nonprofit organizations, uh,

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with vendors and suppliers, uh, companies wanting

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to be a consultant or,

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or offer, offer for financial gain

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or whatever, uh, uh, their services.

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Uh, and then there's a group of us, uh, that I will put my,

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my realm in, uh, of,

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we're truly just wanting to be partners.

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Um, I'm not looking to make any sales contracts.

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If, if, uh, um, a state director says, Hey, can we buy,

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I say, you can go talk to my vendor side.

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Um, I don't, I don't deal with any of that.

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I don't know how to sell you a thing if I had to.

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Um, but I can, I can hook you up with someone

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who might be able to help you with that.

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Um, now I could also help, help you have a conversation

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with, I've got buyers and suppliers

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and those types of things where I'm able

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to make a connection

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and say, there might be other ways that you might be able

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to go about doing that.

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Uh, so the more and more I've been thinking about this, and,

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and Tom and I got started talking about it after,

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after the summit, and

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that was really redefining public-private partnerships to,

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to really focus in on what is that partnership, uh,

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and really focusing in on that so that we can get

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through some of that baggage.

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That a lot of that comes with a lot

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of public private partnerships, uh,

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because they're, they're worried that there's going

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to be concerns about unethical, uh, transactions

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or people doing things only so that they're able

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to get in the door so that they're able to sign a,

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get a contract signed or put them in a better position

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or any of those types of things.

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Um, the way that we look at it, uh, here at Walmart,

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and I think that we've demonstrated it time

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and time again, uh, is I, I will work with,

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with Publix, I'll work with HEBI, I have conversations

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with Target on a regular basis.

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Uh, and from that retail

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or grocery perspective, um, um, uh, Albertsons, uh,

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John, uh, Don and I talk fairly regularly,

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and Katie, um, we're, we're in this

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to help take care of the communities.

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We've got a responsibility to our customers

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and the communities that take care of us every single day.

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So how do we take care of them when they need us the most?

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And so I wanna partner with Katie,

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I wanna partner with, with Don.

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I wanna partner with Brad down at Publix to, to say,

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how are we taking care of these communities?

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And, and we've been able to do that

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and do that successfully.

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Uh, Brad and I set shoulder to shoulder, uh,

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after the hurricanes looking at Tampa or a suburb of Tampa

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and saying, where do you have stores open?

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Where do we have stores open?

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You've got grocery, I've got general merchandise.

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How do we take care of these communities to make sure that,

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that they're getting what they need

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to restart their recovery as quickly as possible?

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Uh, so, so that's, that's really my, my thought around it is

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how do we, how do we redefine

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or how do we redefine to make sure

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that we're capturing those three segments, the, the,

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the NGO segment, because they play an important part.

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The vendors and the suppliers, they play an important part.

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But also those of us that just want to be partners, uh,

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that, that we don't wanna deal with any of

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that other stuff in terms of, of, um, contracts or,

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or any of those types of things.

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And Lee, you also mentioned about helping people states,

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I guess, understand capabilities.

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I thought that was an interesting idea, right?

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Because right, right now it's a smorgasbord.

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You, you know what I mean? Just everywhere.

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It's not really structured or organized.

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Talk about that for a minute. I thought that was another

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interesting, uh, thought.

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So, so as I've been having these,

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as I've been thinking about this, I, I've been trying

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to think of what, what would we redefine, uh,

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what would we really, really redefine this to be?

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I've got notes on my screen here, so

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that's why I'm logging back in.

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Take your time.

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Two things that, that really popped up is I,

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I put together a definition of what I think

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that we want to accomplish.

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And then I was like, okay, so how do we,

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how do we really talk about this?

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And what's a name that really represents this?

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Uh, so there were two different things that I was coming,

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uh, I was thinking about.

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And one of 'em is a competency model.

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Uh, and the other one is a Lifelines model.

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Uh, and so really the competency model is it takes the, that

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that definition of that really takes out the contracts

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and all the other, all the other things

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that is really defining what are we trying to solve for

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and who's got the competency, um, that wants to partner

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with us on being able to, to do something about it.

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And then how do we work together.

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Um, the other is, and,

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and competency model,

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it doesn't really roll off your tongue all that much.

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Uh, public-private partnership rolls

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off really, really easily.

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Right? Uh, and so I was like, okay, so, so it,

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it makes sense, but is, is that the right terminology

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to be able to use, uh, so that everybody understands

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what you're talking about when you say it?

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Uh, and then, and then I got started thinking about

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competency and then lifelines.

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So if you really think about FEMA terminology

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and terminology, that's, that's, um, uh,

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well known within the field.

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Lifelines is, is another, another term

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that I was thinking about in terms

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of a lifeline partnership model.

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Uh, so that it is, what are the things that,

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that the community needs?

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What are the lifelines that communities need to be able

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to get back up and running

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and recover as quickly as possible?

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And then how do, how do partners, private sector partners

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fit within those so that we're able

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to work together in order to be able to do that?

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Uh, that's, that's where Don, Katie

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and I kind of work together a lot, is there is no,

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there is a food lifeline, but there's no grocery lifeline

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or a retail lifeline.

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We've kind of made our own, um, right?

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And, and so we're kind of the grocery lifeline.

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Uh, we go across multiple different lifelines in terms

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of transportation and fuel and,

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and all the different things that are, that are kind of

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sectioned off and kept individualized.

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And, and we really represent all of those pharmaceuticals.

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Um, so we bring all that to the table

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and, okay, what, what does grocery lifeline look like?

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And what do, what do we need to do to help these communities

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reopen and, and start

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that recovery process as soon as possible?

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Um, without grocery, um, and,

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and without retail, you can, you can put all the money and,

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and resources into a community that you want to,

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but there's nowhere to spend it.

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They can't start the recovery.

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Uh, so, so being able to, to have some

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of those conversations, to meet with the states, meet

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with the, the municipalities to say, if you, if you work

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with us on, we will help you be the,

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we will be the last ones out, but during an evacuation,

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and we'll be the first ones in.

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Uh, because you, you need, you need those services to be up

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and running and available when, when you reopen a community.

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Okay. Thoughts? Open

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Up, open it up for questions or discussion.

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Well, I just, I already know you

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and I have sat around the table, uh,

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um, a couple of different times.

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Yes. Uh, you know, I, I, I think this is, I, I, I, it's,

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it's always a pleasure to,

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to sit at a, at the table with you.

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'cause I think you, you're doing it, you're doing it right.

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But, um, you know, I think, I'm curious to know,

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I'm curious if there's a mechanism we like to use

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and just the way we've structured it in New York City, le

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and our private sector, ESF sitting in the, uh,

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in the EOC with us.

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Um, but we leverage, we try

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to leverage umbrella organizations

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that can bring groups together.

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Like, um, you know, if we try to engage with each one

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of the different companies doing managing real estate in the

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city, it would be impossible.

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But we work with the Building Owners

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and Managers Association.

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And I think I've mentioned to you, you know,

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so we have the Food Industry Association of New York,

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which is great, but, you know, we've long wanted, um,

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something like ala um, to have a seat in the EOC, uh,

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and then serve as that conduit.

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Uh, we love having individual relationships

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with, with, with companies.

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But, um, I think, I think there's, there's a,

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there's a certain element of course, to, to our, um,

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from our, our council and,

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and people who have always historically been very nervous

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if, if they see one, um, if they see one retailer,

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but not another, that someone's going to come

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to us afterwards and say, why were they at the table?

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Whether, and again, you're not selling things to us,

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you're just supporting and everyone's welcome.

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But, um, something to me that like, like a, uh,

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an umbrella organization that everyone's already a member

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of serving as, as that, and,

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and again, I, I put that out there

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and rela said no to us several times.

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And I don't know if it's a, if it's something that you see

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as potentially adding value

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or potential resource from, from the retail side,

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leaning on them to say, Hey,

500
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we can't be in all these EOCs necessarily.

501
00:24:43.945 --> 00:24:46.845
You know, Lee, uh, has to sleep a few hours a day.

502
00:24:47.305 --> 00:24:49.845
Um, and so, um, at least one, maybe.

503
00:24:50.185 --> 00:24:52.285
Uh, but, uh, uh, you know, I don't know.

504
00:24:52.325 --> 00:24:53.725
I just putting it out there. 'cause I think I,

505
00:24:53.805 --> 00:24:56.525
I love the idea of, of seeing this not as, as vendors,

506
00:24:57.105 --> 00:24:58.245
uh, but as partners.

507
00:24:58.745 --> 00:25:01.405
Um, but I'm just, I'm just channel, you know,

508
00:25:01.405 --> 00:25:04.125
thinking a little bit about, about some of the challenges

509
00:25:04.125 --> 00:25:05.165
that we've seen over the past,

510
00:25:05.305 --> 00:25:06.405
not that they're insurmountable,

511
00:25:06.405 --> 00:25:08.205
But Lee, Lee, are we talking blue sky

512
00:25:09.145 --> 00:25:10.645
or, uh, left or right of boom.

513
00:25:10.645 --> 00:25:15.065
And here's why I'm asking. Several of the directors said,

514
00:25:15.085 --> 00:25:18.105
you know, where we need help is left to boom.

515
00:25:18.325 --> 00:25:21.225
Mm-hmm. We, we need to do the planning and ongoing stuff.

516
00:25:21.285 --> 00:25:23.345
So when it does hit, we just

517
00:25:24.105 --> 00:25:26.145
increase the frequency of meetings kind of thing.

518
00:25:26.145 --> 00:25:28.025
Right? And so I was just curious if you're thinking,

519
00:25:28.685 --> 00:25:30.345
you know, which side of boom, I mean

520
00:25:30.975 --> 00:25:32.465
primarily if that, if that,

521
00:25:33.045 --> 00:25:34.945
As I've been thinking about it, you have

522
00:25:34.945 --> 00:25:36.465
to have the left side of boom

523
00:25:36.645 --> 00:25:38.505
to participate in the right side of boom.

524
00:25:38.575 --> 00:25:42.185
Okay. Uh, so you, you have to have that relationship.

525
00:25:42.245 --> 00:25:44.825
You have to have that the have to be able to know.

526
00:25:44.925 --> 00:25:48.145
And that's part of what takes that pressure off is

527
00:25:48.675 --> 00:25:50.745
we've been working together for six months leading

528
00:25:50.745 --> 00:25:51.785
up to that hurricane.

529
00:25:51.855 --> 00:25:54.225
Yeah. This isn't a brand new relationship

530
00:25:54.235 --> 00:25:55.625
where we're just jumping in

531
00:25:55.965 --> 00:25:58.465
and saying, yeah, we're gonna do one or two things and,

532
00:25:58.605 --> 00:26:00.825
and may deliver, may not deliver,

533
00:26:01.205 --> 00:26:03.585
but, um, uh, kind of think of me right now.

534
00:26:03.695 --> 00:26:05.945
Yeah. I, I wanna see how we can build some

535
00:26:05.945 --> 00:26:07.625
of those relationships in advance,

536
00:26:08.165 --> 00:26:10.745
and then those flow into the, um,

537
00:26:10.955 --> 00:26:14.225
after the boom, uh, where, okay, now we're,

538
00:26:14.225 --> 00:26:15.785
now we've got a challenge in front of us

539
00:26:15.785 --> 00:26:17.265
that we need to deal with right now.

540
00:26:17.505 --> 00:26:19.905
I know what you are able to do when you're able to plan,

541
00:26:20.375 --> 00:26:23.025
what, what ideas do you bring to the table for this?

542
00:26:23.375 --> 00:26:25.785
Because Ira, you bring up a good point, write a boom.

543
00:26:25.915 --> 00:26:27.185
Every state's got its own

544
00:26:27.345 --> 00:26:28.785
structure, and they're not the same.

545
00:26:28.965 --> 00:26:30.625
That's the other part of the problem, right?

546
00:26:30.625 --> 00:26:33.425
They're all a little different. Some use ESF, some don't.

547
00:26:33.795 --> 00:26:36.425
Right? Um, and you're not gonna change that.

548
00:26:37.205 --> 00:26:38.505
Um, so, so maybe,

549
00:26:38.635 --> 00:26:40.705
maybe the focus, I'm just thinking out loud.

550
00:26:40.705 --> 00:26:42.705
I'd love to hear perspective. The more Lee

551
00:26:42.705 --> 00:26:44.365
and I spoke about it, the more I thought about it,

552
00:26:44.555 --> 00:26:47.405
this is maybe the focus is really ought to be left to boom.

553
00:26:48.265 --> 00:26:52.565
Um, to, to your point Lee, is that that's where,

554
00:26:52.825 --> 00:26:54.045
that's where the gaps are.

555
00:26:54.105 --> 00:26:55.325
And I know three of the five

556
00:26:55.725 --> 00:26:56.925
directors all mentioned that, right?

557
00:26:56.985 --> 00:26:59.565
We need help building operational,

558
00:26:59.665 --> 00:27:01.765
public private partnerships in Blue Sky.

559
00:27:02.075 --> 00:27:03.885
They didn't say Blue Sky, they said left to boom,

560
00:27:03.905 --> 00:27:05.005
and one of 'em said Blue sky.

561
00:27:05.065 --> 00:27:06.845
So for, uh, but anyway, no, it's good.

562
00:27:06.845 --> 00:27:08.285
This is why we wanted to have the discussion.

563
00:27:08.285 --> 00:27:09.285
We're kind of shaping this,

564
00:27:09.305 --> 00:27:10.725
but Ira brings up a great point, right?

565
00:27:10.725 --> 00:27:12.205
That structure right

566
00:27:12.205 --> 00:27:13.925
to boom in New York City isn't gonna change.

567
00:27:14.545 --> 00:27:16.285
And it put, put, IRA puts you kind

568
00:27:16.285 --> 00:27:17.965
of in a interesting position.

569
00:27:18.225 --> 00:27:20.645
We Right. We don't necessarily want to, but,

570
00:27:21.365 --> 00:27:23.365
But I think, you know, we talk, we've had,

571
00:27:23.365 --> 00:27:25.685
we've had a robust, you know, engagement,

572
00:27:25.685 --> 00:27:27.885
private sector engagement, going out to meet as many people

573
00:27:27.885 --> 00:27:29.805
and develop as many relationships as possible.

574
00:27:29.805 --> 00:27:31.605
And, and we do that you, you and,

575
00:27:31.605 --> 00:27:33.885
and an organization, if you have the, the,

576
00:27:33.885 --> 00:27:35.965
if you've dedicated the resources, like to have a,

577
00:27:36.085 --> 00:27:39.085
a private sector liaison, whether at the municipal level

578
00:27:39.085 --> 00:27:40.685
or at the state level, you know, and,

579
00:27:40.685 --> 00:27:42.085
and empower them to go out and,

580
00:27:42.085 --> 00:27:43.165
and build those relationships,

581
00:27:43.225 --> 00:27:44.525
that's exactly what they're doing.

582
00:27:44.945 --> 00:27:48.245
Uh, I think, I think the challenge, the, the, the, the,

583
00:27:48.305 --> 00:27:51.005
the awareness is fantastic, but,

584
00:27:51.305 --> 00:27:54.645
but there's only so much you can do to, to in

585
00:27:54.645 --> 00:27:56.925
that transition from, you know, from left

586
00:27:56.925 --> 00:27:58.285
of boom to right of boom.

587
00:27:58.705 --> 00:28:02.605
And, and, and to me, to me, the, the, the awareness is,

588
00:28:02.605 --> 00:28:05.485
is great, as long as you can, can transition that into

589
00:28:06.165 --> 00:28:08.085
a reasonable use model.

590
00:28:08.625 --> 00:28:09.845
Um, that, you know,

591
00:28:10.265 --> 00:28:11.565
so I think, I think it goes hand in hand.

592
00:28:11.685 --> 00:28:12.965
I do like that, that the fact that,

593
00:28:12.965 --> 00:28:14.525
that there are way too many people

594
00:28:14.525 --> 00:28:17.285
who don't have any idea about the private sector, uh,

595
00:28:17.285 --> 00:28:20.325
operating the, the, the, the folks operating in their, um,

596
00:28:20.905 --> 00:28:24.775
uh, in their, uh, in their, in their,

597
00:28:24.775 --> 00:28:26.175
in their backyard beforehand.

598
00:28:27.375 --> 00:28:29.655
I, I would also just say, and again, you know, this is one

599
00:28:29.655 --> 00:28:32.335
of those, one of those things that, that one was sort

600
00:28:32.335 --> 00:28:35.855
of drilled into me by our, our, our Kelly would, you know,

601
00:28:35.855 --> 00:28:39.095
know Calvin Trayton, our our former first, uh, uh,

602
00:28:39.105 --> 00:28:41.535
first step who, who's always basically saying, Hey,

603
00:28:41.555 --> 00:28:42.975
you know, the private sector's great,

604
00:28:43.195 --> 00:28:45.375
but what happens, IRA, if the private sector tells you

605
00:28:45.375 --> 00:28:47.295
what if the private sector decides, you know,

606
00:28:47.295 --> 00:28:49.575
after all this, that they're not gonna do it, we still need

607
00:28:49.575 --> 00:28:51.535
to be able to do it and, and fill that gap.

608
00:28:52.075 --> 00:28:53.895
And so there, there's a fear.

609
00:28:54.205 --> 00:28:57.375
Just again, speaking from, from, you know, the,

610
00:28:57.525 --> 00:29:00.575
from from the municipal side, there's the fear

611
00:29:00.575 --> 00:29:02.735
that without a contract, uh,

612
00:29:02.755 --> 00:29:06.175
and just a relationship, how do you know the, the, the, the,

613
00:29:06.235 --> 00:29:09.575
the, in the, without a signature on a document, there's,

614
00:29:09.575 --> 00:29:11.095
there's, there's always the possibility

615
00:29:11.095 --> 00:29:14.135
that the private sector isn't able to do it.

616
00:29:14.235 --> 00:29:16.575
And then if that's our only plan, then,

617
00:29:16.605 --> 00:29:17.775
then that, that's the problem.

618
00:29:17.995 --> 00:29:21.575
So I, I think that that part of this conversation looking

619
00:29:21.595 --> 00:29:23.255
for assistance on, on, on the, on,

620
00:29:23.355 --> 00:29:24.975
on the private sector side is fantastic.

621
00:29:25.075 --> 00:29:27.175
But we have to be able to, we have to be able to figure out

622
00:29:27.445 --> 00:29:28.935
what people are for sure gonna do,

623
00:29:29.045 --> 00:29:30.575
what people are capable of doing.

624
00:29:30.605 --> 00:29:33.815
What may or may not happen if the lawyers say yes or no,

625
00:29:33.815 --> 00:29:36.375
because, you know, ultimately, uh, we we're gonna have

626
00:29:36.375 --> 00:29:38.015
to make it happen on the, on, on the,

627
00:29:38.015 --> 00:29:39.935
on the public side, regardless.

628
00:29:40.325 --> 00:29:43.405
Well, I read one of, one of the things that's, that's, um,

629
00:29:44.745 --> 00:29:47.755
that, that had me thinking down this path is

630
00:29:50.705 --> 00:29:52.375
there, there are a lot of contracts

631
00:29:52.595 --> 00:29:54.295
and there's a lot of contractors out there

632
00:29:54.295 --> 00:29:56.615
that have signed documents that still can't deliver.

633
00:29:57.475 --> 00:30:00.415
Uh, so that's part that, that's, that's part of the baggage

634
00:30:00.755 --> 00:30:03.495
that's, that comes, that, that is tied

635
00:30:03.495 --> 00:30:06.895
to public private partnerships of, well, when we need

636
00:30:06.895 --> 00:30:09.295
to depend on somebody, are they gonna be there?

637
00:30:09.955 --> 00:30:12.255
Uh, and you can have that with a signed contract and,

638
00:30:12.315 --> 00:30:14.175
and without a signed contract, uh,

639
00:30:14.195 --> 00:30:17.015
you can sue someone without, uh, the, uh, with a contract,

640
00:30:17.015 --> 00:30:19.215
you can't, uh, without a contract.

641
00:30:19.995 --> 00:30:23.995
Um, but at the end of the day, for us, and,

642
00:30:24.015 --> 00:30:27.195
and Tom, I think in our prep call, uh, leading up to the,

643
00:30:27.255 --> 00:30:31.675
to the summit, um, I said it, we all know at the end

644
00:30:31.675 --> 00:30:33.435
of the day, on the five o'clock news,

645
00:30:33.435 --> 00:30:36.195
when there is somebody crying on TV talking about,

646
00:30:37.425 --> 00:30:40.425
I have no food, I have no water, I have no no home,

647
00:30:40.425 --> 00:30:42.025
everything has been destroyed,

648
00:30:42.325 --> 00:30:47.015
and FEMA's not here to take care of me, we're, we're,

649
00:30:47.185 --> 00:30:48.775
where are all eyes gonna shift to?

650
00:30:49.665 --> 00:30:51.755
It's gonna fall to that local emergency manager

651
00:30:51.775 --> 00:30:53.315
and it's gonna fall to the private sector

652
00:30:53.315 --> 00:30:55.075
because somebody's gonna be calling us saying,

653
00:30:55.455 --> 00:30:57.195
we gotta get in there and take care of the community.

654
00:30:57.195 --> 00:30:59.515
Mm-hmm. And that may be the governor,

655
00:31:00.105 --> 00:31:01.155
that may be the president,

656
00:31:01.155 --> 00:31:04.635
or maybe my own company president, uh, my own company, CEO,

657
00:31:04.635 --> 00:31:07.315
saying, get in there and take care of the community, uh,

658
00:31:07.315 --> 00:31:08.435
because it's the right thing to do.

659
00:31:09.175 --> 00:31:11.195
Uh, so I'd much rather have the, the,

660
00:31:11.195 --> 00:31:12.835
the blue sky conversations

661
00:31:12.835 --> 00:31:17.195
and relationships so that at least we know each other

662
00:31:17.295 --> 00:31:19.555
and you know, what I'm capable of doing or,

663
00:31:19.615 --> 00:31:21.155
or you're, you know,

664
00:31:21.155 --> 00:31:23.675
what capabilities private sector brings to the table.

665
00:31:24.295 --> 00:31:28.735
Um, and you're not just shooting blind in the dark. 100%.

666
00:31:28.925 --> 00:31:31.855
Yeah. Co couple things in that, um, IRA, I would argue

667
00:31:31.855 --> 00:31:35.095
that Calvin was also talking about, you know, anybody

668
00:31:35.125 --> 00:31:36.495
outside of e sf

669
00:31:36.675 --> 00:31:40.655
1, 3, 5, 6, and eight, right?

670
00:31:40.795 --> 00:31:42.615
Two, I mean, it's not just the private sector.

671
00:31:42.805 --> 00:31:44.935
It's all those other folks that don't normally do stuff

672
00:31:44.955 --> 00:31:47.095
or have to do anything to do anything in a real disaster

673
00:31:47.125 --> 00:31:49.175
that you gotta worry about too in inside government.

674
00:31:49.485 --> 00:31:52.495
Very true. Uh, so it's, I mean, it's, it's for real.

675
00:31:53.015 --> 00:31:54.415
I, I kind of take this back to,

676
00:31:54.635 --> 00:31:57.095
and the, so couple things in here.

677
00:31:57.115 --> 00:31:58.215
One of the things I said at the,

678
00:31:59.455 --> 00:32:03.555
at the event when we were up in, in Pennsylvania, you know,

679
00:32:03.555 --> 00:32:05.115
we've got this, and I, I, I'm, I'm,

680
00:32:05.155 --> 00:32:06.195
I was part of this too, right?

681
00:32:06.315 --> 00:32:09.395
I was one of the first entities when it was all getting hot

682
00:32:09.395 --> 00:32:11.275
and heavy around private sector liaisons,

683
00:32:11.565 --> 00:32:13.235
appointing somebody to a position

684
00:32:13.235 --> 00:32:14.635
of a private sector liaison

685
00:32:15.415 --> 00:32:17.035
and not really giving a whole lot of guidance of

686
00:32:17.035 --> 00:32:18.835
what they need to do, except for I need to know

687
00:32:20.365 --> 00:32:22.115
who's out there, who's involved, who's engaged.

688
00:32:22.175 --> 00:32:23.875
Here's my kind of, you know,

689
00:32:23.875 --> 00:32:26.315
1, 2, 3, 4, 5 most important things I can think

690
00:32:26.315 --> 00:32:28.875
of off the top of my head, but go do good work.

691
00:32:30.055 --> 00:32:33.275
And I don't think anything's really been done since then to

692
00:32:34.005 --> 00:32:35.915
write down what is the role

693
00:32:36.415 --> 00:32:39.165
of a private sector liaison in a state

694
00:32:39.165 --> 00:32:40.485
or municipal organization.

695
00:32:41.185 --> 00:32:43.395
What's their job? What's their job?

696
00:32:43.425 --> 00:32:45.955
Blue sky, what's their job? Gray sky, what's their job job?

697
00:32:46.225 --> 00:32:48.155
Dark sky. And I think what you're,

698
00:32:48.185 --> 00:32:50.995
what you're doing is the right thing from

699
00:32:51.085 --> 00:32:52.555
where you sit in the private sector

700
00:32:52.575 --> 00:32:53.835
of saying, I need these relationships.

701
00:32:54.245 --> 00:32:55.755
Y'all need to know what I can bring to the table

702
00:32:56.025 --> 00:32:57.195
because I can help you.

703
00:32:57.695 --> 00:32:58.835
And you're a hundred percent correct.

704
00:32:59.495 --> 00:33:02.275
And I would venture to say, of the disasters

705
00:33:02.275 --> 00:33:04.075
that have happened since you've been in there, in the states

706
00:33:04.075 --> 00:33:05.555
that you've worked with, you probably have a

707
00:33:05.555 --> 00:33:06.595
good relationship with those folks.

708
00:33:06.875 --> 00:33:08.915
'cause you've talked to their directors

709
00:33:08.935 --> 00:33:11.435
or to their key response people, right?

710
00:33:12.285 --> 00:33:14.675
Right. Give it three years when they turn over

711
00:33:15.585 --> 00:33:17.405
and there's not a disaster that's happened there.

712
00:33:17.825 --> 00:33:22.325
Yep. Right? So how, how do we, in the course of this,

713
00:33:22.605 --> 00:33:23.885
I think everything you're saying is right on,

714
00:33:23.905 --> 00:33:25.645
and it's stuff we really need to do.

715
00:33:26.345 --> 00:33:29.005
But in the course of this, how do we define what,

716
00:33:29.145 --> 00:33:30.645
who is the responsible party

717
00:33:30.645 --> 00:33:32.445
and what is their job to do that with you?

718
00:33:32.855 --> 00:33:34.125
We'll all say right now, sure,

719
00:33:34.125 --> 00:33:36.245
it's a private sector liaisons, right?

720
00:33:37.105 --> 00:33:38.845
But inside their own organization's not

721
00:33:38.845 --> 00:33:40.325
well-defined what they have and what they do.

722
00:33:41.025 --> 00:33:43.365
And nine times outta 10, when you activate the EOC,

723
00:33:43.475 --> 00:33:46.715
where's the private sector liaison sit, right?

724
00:33:47.755 --> 00:33:50.155
I mean, they don't always have a chair someplace inside

725
00:33:50.155 --> 00:33:51.155
that EOC here, right?

726
00:33:51.975 --> 00:33:53.755
So they're usually in their office

727
00:33:53.935 --> 00:33:56.435
or somewhere inside the, you know, facility while the,

728
00:33:56.535 --> 00:33:58.235
and they're wa wandering around the EOC

729
00:33:58.235 --> 00:34:00.795
and trying to get ears and get into conversations.

730
00:34:01.215 --> 00:34:04.435
Yep. So I think we have a twofold

731
00:34:04.775 --> 00:34:06.195
attack here that we need to do.

732
00:34:06.295 --> 00:34:09.555
One is on having the states understand their responsibility

733
00:34:09.935 --> 00:34:13.315
and connecting with you on the regular

734
00:34:14.335 --> 00:34:17.275
and then on the on, on your side, you know, there's

735
00:34:17.275 --> 00:34:20.355
that desire amongst some that we need to get amongst more

736
00:34:20.575 --> 00:34:22.515
to say, what do you bring to the table?

737
00:34:23.255 --> 00:34:24.795
And we're not talking about contracts,

738
00:34:24.805 --> 00:34:27.635
we're talking about you've got stores in the same place

739
00:34:27.635 --> 00:34:30.265
where I've got people and we're relying on each other

740
00:34:30.285 --> 00:34:33.265
to get those things open so we can start to, you know, get

741
00:34:33.265 --> 00:34:34.545
to some kind of normalcy, right?

742
00:34:34.815 --> 00:34:37.065
Yeah. I mean, the resilience has a whole lot

743
00:34:37.065 --> 00:34:40.105
of fun definitions, you know, for me it's,

744
00:34:40.445 --> 00:34:42.145
can you fail gracefully and come back quickly?

745
00:34:42.555 --> 00:34:45.505
Right? That's it. And if I don't have somebody like you

746
00:34:46.885 --> 00:34:48.825
at the table with me when this is happening,

747
00:34:49.925 --> 00:34:52.145
before this is happening to say what's gonna happen?

748
00:34:52.285 --> 00:34:54.705
How do you guys start to get to the point where you say,

749
00:34:54.705 --> 00:34:56.945
okay, doors are shut, and then

750
00:34:56.945 --> 00:34:58.145
how do I get those doors back open?

751
00:34:58.205 --> 00:34:59.305
If we don't know that before?

752
00:35:00.255 --> 00:35:01.515
That's a whole lot of waste of time

753
00:35:01.515 --> 00:35:02.515
during the disaster trying to

754
00:35:02.515 --> 00:35:03.395
figure out what that's gonna be.

755
00:35:03.845 --> 00:35:05.595
Right? So I'm with you, man.

756
00:35:05.595 --> 00:35:06.595
I think you're on the right path.

757
00:35:06.855 --> 00:35:09.955
And you know, I'll throw a stone or two for one second.

758
00:35:10.745 --> 00:35:14.395
There's a whole group at NEMA that meets, there's a,

759
00:35:14.395 --> 00:35:15.795
there's a committee, right?

760
00:35:15.795 --> 00:35:17.635
Subcommittee, whatever. It's that committee

761
00:35:17.945 --> 00:35:19.795
that meets on private sector.

762
00:35:20.615 --> 00:35:25.465
How many I I call out

763
00:35:25.465 --> 00:35:28.745
my former peers, how many state directors show up to

764
00:35:28.745 --> 00:35:31.065
that meeting, right?

765
00:35:32.065 --> 00:35:33.625
I mean, these are the types of things we gotta change.

766
00:35:33.805 --> 00:35:36.305
And the only way we change them is to, to show that value.

767
00:35:37.675 --> 00:35:41.565
Yeah. I, um, as I've been thinking about this, that,

768
00:35:41.565 --> 00:35:43.125
that's one of the things I've been thinking about.

769
00:35:43.345 --> 00:35:47.005
Uh, 'cause I'm, I'm actually was, was elected the co-chair

770
00:35:47.145 --> 00:35:50.925
of the private sector committee, uh, back in October.

771
00:35:51.425 --> 00:35:53.495
Uh, and AJ

772
00:35:53.495 --> 00:35:57.255
and I have actually talked about this idea of, of privates

773
00:35:58.205 --> 00:36:00.415
partnership, not contractor.

774
00:36:00.835 --> 00:36:03.415
And so, looking at that, looking at that committee,

775
00:36:04.145 --> 00:36:06.655
there is a lot of organizations on that committee.

776
00:36:06.655 --> 00:36:08.135
It's the largest committee at nema,

777
00:36:08.555 --> 00:36:09.935
but most of them are contractors.

778
00:36:10.325 --> 00:36:14.255
Yeah. Or nonprofits. There's very few partners.

779
00:36:14.675 --> 00:36:18.535
Uh, and so is, is that the right organization to,

780
00:36:18.755 --> 00:36:21.815
to lean into, to be able to, to break that,

781
00:36:22.085 --> 00:36:24.175
that one committee into three subcommittees

782
00:36:24.175 --> 00:36:26.055
where you're focused on, on different things?

783
00:36:26.995 --> 00:36:31.535
Or is it, is, is it not the right organization, uh, to,

784
00:36:31.675 --> 00:36:36.095
to take the, the mantle on, on just private sector partners

785
00:36:36.755 --> 00:36:38.175
and, and be able to push forward?

786
00:36:38.245 --> 00:36:40.415
Because I, I don't know, there may be

787
00:36:41.315 --> 00:36:43.255
too much baggage associated with it.

788
00:36:43.255 --> 00:36:44.455
There may be too much history.

789
00:36:44.995 --> 00:36:47.775
Um, there, there would be a lot of, there could be a lot

790
00:36:47.775 --> 00:36:49.855
of things that would throw barriers and,

791
00:36:49.915 --> 00:36:52.615
and in front of that organization in, in,

792
00:36:52.715 --> 00:36:53.895
in order to push that forward.

793
00:36:54.025 --> 00:36:56.775
There may not, uh, there may be an appetite for it.

794
00:36:57.875 --> 00:36:59.845
Yeah. And I think you're right. I think there is a lot of

795
00:36:59.845 --> 00:37:00.965
People that I'm, that I'm talking

796
00:37:00.965 --> 00:37:03.525
to on the private sector aren't, aren't involved with nema,

797
00:37:03.985 --> 00:37:07.045
um, because they haven't seen the value of being associated

798
00:37:07.045 --> 00:37:08.045
with the organization.

799
00:37:08.555 --> 00:37:11.325
Yeah. Uh, so, so that's, that's one of the things I'm trying

800
00:37:11.325 --> 00:37:12.845
to, I'm trying to change.

801
00:37:13.585 --> 00:37:14.685
No, and I think you're right with those

802
00:37:14.685 --> 00:37:15.805
three lanes, right?

803
00:37:16.085 --> 00:37:18.895
A VOAD lane, a contractor lane,

804
00:37:19.475 --> 00:37:21.575
and then here's the people you need sitting next

805
00:37:21.575 --> 00:37:22.615
to when this is going on, because

806
00:37:22.615 --> 00:37:23.735
they're bringing resources.

807
00:37:23.735 --> 00:37:25.775
They're, they're doing missions on their own.

808
00:37:25.775 --> 00:37:26.975
And that needs to be, you know,

809
00:37:27.375 --> 00:37:28.575
collated with what you're doing.

810
00:37:29.115 --> 00:37:31.725
Yep. How do we be part

811
00:37:31.725 --> 00:37:33.005
of the solution, not part of the problem.

812
00:37:33.365 --> 00:37:34.365
Right?

813
00:37:36.415 --> 00:37:37.955
Lee? Tom, you were gonna ask a question?

814
00:37:38.905 --> 00:37:42.305
Yep. No, you were gonna ask a question,

815
00:37:44.765 --> 00:37:47.315
Lee, if it did work at nema,

816
00:37:47.385 --> 00:37:48.395
what would a meeting look like?

817
00:37:49.845 --> 00:37:53.415
What, what, what would the, what would the activity do

818
00:37:54.205 --> 00:37:57.815
that would benefit industry from participating

819
00:37:57.835 --> 00:37:59.735
and directors from seeking it?

820
00:38:01.585 --> 00:38:03.245
I'm, I'm sorry. I got somebody trying

821
00:38:03.245 --> 00:38:04.485
to take over my, my room.

822
00:38:04.745 --> 00:38:06.565
Uh, I only booked this room for 30 minutes.

823
00:38:07.225 --> 00:38:08.925
Uh, so, um, uh,

824
00:38:09.205 --> 00:38:10.525
I will see if I can find another room

825
00:38:10.525 --> 00:38:11.885
and I'll dial back in. All

826
00:38:11.885 --> 00:38:12.885
Right. Yeah, no, that's great.

827
00:38:12.885 --> 00:38:14.125
That's great. Sorry. Thanks.

828
00:38:14.235 --> 00:38:17.645
Yeah. Bye. The, the, the reason,

829
00:38:18.545 --> 00:38:20.485
the reason I'm asking, Kelly, after you

830
00:38:20.485 --> 00:38:22.165
and I spoke, I was trying to figure out

831
00:38:25.105 --> 00:38:28.925
what's the role of the A HC, right?

832
00:38:29.385 --> 00:38:31.565
We convened a great meeting, great panel panelists,

833
00:38:31.575 --> 00:38:33.005
Gotha teed up an issue, okay?

834
00:38:33.145 --> 00:38:36.415
And here, here's a serious company

835
00:38:37.975 --> 00:38:40.815
approaching us as to what we might be able

836
00:38:40.815 --> 00:38:41.975
to do to help do that.

837
00:38:42.115 --> 00:38:44.055
And what I was, uh, trying

838
00:38:44.055 --> 00:38:47.895
to get your all's thoughts about was, so what's the role

839
00:38:49.185 --> 00:38:50.405
for the A HC here?

840
00:38:51.185 --> 00:38:52.185
Um,

841
00:38:53.715 --> 00:38:55.515
I, I think it's, it's to help define

842
00:38:55.945 --> 00:38:58.875
what this relationship looks like, because I, and,

843
00:38:58.875 --> 00:39:00.875
and I've said this, I, I said this to, to folks,

844
00:39:00.935 --> 00:39:03.275
and maybe I'm, I, I'm totally off base, you know,

845
00:39:03.705 --> 00:39:06.795
relationships are generally as I understand them

846
00:39:07.735 --> 00:39:10.825
between people, individuals, I have a relationship with Tom,

847
00:39:10.865 --> 00:39:12.865
I have a relationship with Lee, I have a relationship.

848
00:39:13.125 --> 00:39:15.025
IRA has a relationship with Kelly.

849
00:39:16.145 --> 00:39:18.315
Relationships between organizations

850
00:39:19.065 --> 00:39:21.475
generally have documents and signatures.

851
00:39:21.525 --> 00:39:24.675
Their contracts or their, um, or, or their,

852
00:39:24.695 --> 00:39:28.475
or their, their, their, their, their, they exist in,

853
00:39:28.475 --> 00:39:29.635
in some other, in some other format.

854
00:39:29.775 --> 00:39:30.835
So I've struggled and,

855
00:39:30.835 --> 00:39:33.635
and for a long time trying to figure out, one of the things

856
00:39:33.635 --> 00:39:36.275
that I keep trying to figure out is how do I,

857
00:39:36.655 --> 00:39:40.315
how do I institutionalize a personal relationship, right?

858
00:39:40.375 --> 00:39:42.195
Um, and, and that's really where I've always,

859
00:39:42.485 --> 00:39:43.675
where we've always run up.

860
00:39:44.035 --> 00:39:46.875
I, I can know that I pick up the phone and I can call Lee

861
00:39:46.895 --> 00:39:50.435
and he'll he'll help me with, with, um, with, with Walmart.

862
00:39:50.935 --> 00:39:52.675
But do I know that I could pick up the phone

863
00:39:52.675 --> 00:39:54.355
and call Walmart's one 800 number

864
00:39:54.655 --> 00:39:56.275
and get through to someone who's gonna be just

865
00:39:56.275 --> 00:39:57.635
as passionate about it as Lee?

866
00:39:57.665 --> 00:39:58.915
Well, I'm not sure. Yeah.

867
00:39:58.935 --> 00:40:01.155
And part of the other, part of the question here,

868
00:40:01.155 --> 00:40:04.435
and then I'll shut up, was if we're looking to the states

869
00:40:04.455 --> 00:40:06.035
to organize, that's just not gonna happen.

870
00:40:07.445 --> 00:40:11.325
It's not, uh, the state PSLs, there's six

871
00:40:11.325 --> 00:40:12.485
that really know what they're doing.

872
00:40:12.545 --> 00:40:14.925
The rest of 'em are, they got three or four, five jobs,

873
00:40:14.925 --> 00:40:16.885
and I count you as part of that ira, right?

874
00:40:17.755 --> 00:40:18.965
They got three or four jobs.

875
00:40:19.885 --> 00:40:21.845
I run a PSL work group with Persia

876
00:40:21.845 --> 00:40:24.845
and Molly, um, Virginia sent,

877
00:40:25.025 --> 00:40:27.045
one person came back, she just got dismissed.

878
00:40:27.145 --> 00:40:28.165
She just got dismissed. And

879
00:40:28.165 --> 00:40:30.605
because Virginia's going through changes, that's fine.

880
00:40:31.305 --> 00:40:34.975
But my my point is, how could we do this without

881
00:40:36.805 --> 00:40:41.295
trying to serve necessarily reorganized states,

882
00:40:41.355 --> 00:40:43.895
but help private sector in a, in a, in an environment

883
00:40:43.895 --> 00:40:46.935
that would be beneficial to private sector, uh,

884
00:40:47.285 --> 00:40:49.895
with those states, with those states that are prepared

885
00:40:49.955 --> 00:40:51.335
to have that conversation.

886
00:40:51.395 --> 00:40:53.295
One of the big things that came out of the summit was,

887
00:40:53.635 --> 00:40:56.255
you know, states need to get really serious about this PSL

888
00:40:56.255 --> 00:40:57.255
role, right?

889
00:40:57.595 --> 00:41:00.455
So, so Tom, I think, you know, I, I piggyback off

890
00:41:00.455 --> 00:41:01.455
what IRA just brought up,

891
00:41:01.455 --> 00:41:04.415
and I'm seeing it more than even private sector seeing, even

892
00:41:04.415 --> 00:41:07.175
with, um, you know, with, uh, collaboration

893
00:41:07.175 --> 00:41:08.615
between different government entities

894
00:41:08.615 --> 00:41:10.735
and collaboration between different jurisdictions.

895
00:41:11.165 --> 00:41:13.615
It's all based on personal relationships.

896
00:41:13.685 --> 00:41:18.095
Like it's almost impossible to, to get some kind

897
00:41:18.095 --> 00:41:20.775
of a formalized, you know, business process.

898
00:41:21.395 --> 00:41:25.895
Um, but I think what, what, what well hazards is done with,

899
00:41:26.035 --> 00:41:27.855
uh, you know, with fleet movements, with the,

900
00:41:27.855 --> 00:41:28.855
with the electrical sector.

901
00:41:29.015 --> 00:41:30.975
I mean, I think that's kind of your role is

902
00:41:30.975 --> 00:41:32.095
that kind of convener.

903
00:41:32.515 --> 00:41:34.685
Um, you can only bring people together as much

904
00:41:34.685 --> 00:41:36.165
as they'll come together, but, um,

905
00:41:36.595 --> 00:41:39.365
that there is some formalized business process

906
00:41:39.665 --> 00:41:41.405
now in those areas.

907
00:41:41.715 --> 00:41:43.645
It's really difficult in the, in the pri I,

908
00:41:43.725 --> 00:41:45.725
I was just wondering when Lee was, was speaking like,

909
00:41:45.865 --> 00:41:47.605
you know, what are the asks from private sector?

910
00:41:47.605 --> 00:41:50.205
Because, you know, on a, on a blue sky day,

911
00:41:50.745 --> 00:41:53.245
you're pulling people away from their work to talk to you.

912
00:41:53.435 --> 00:41:54.885
What are, what are they getting out of it?

913
00:41:54.965 --> 00:41:59.085
I mean, I, I, and I mainly see public-private sector, um,

914
00:41:59.785 --> 00:42:03.125
you know, uh, engagements on like the law enforcement on the

915
00:42:03.215 --> 00:42:04.405
Intel side and whatnot.

916
00:42:04.665 --> 00:42:07.005
And, um, I, I, I, you know, we don't,

917
00:42:07.005 --> 00:42:09.645
we don't keep people involved for a long time

918
00:42:09.725 --> 00:42:12.365
because, you know, either, you know, it's the, I know,

919
00:42:12.365 --> 00:42:13.445
but I can't tell you or,

920
00:42:13.625 --> 00:42:16.525
or, uh, you know, the, uh, you know, that

921
00:42:16.525 --> 00:42:19.525
that really not an understanding of what the, uh, of

922
00:42:19.525 --> 00:42:21.685
what each other's roles are in, in those areas.

923
00:42:21.905 --> 00:42:24.765
But, um, it really does come down to personalities.

924
00:42:24.865 --> 00:42:26.525
If you don't know the, if you don't know someone,

925
00:42:27.025 --> 00:42:28.205
and I guess that's, you know, what

926
00:42:28.205 --> 00:42:29.485
we, we always say that, right?

927
00:42:29.545 --> 00:42:31.205
You want to, you don't want to be, uh,

928
00:42:31.535 --> 00:42:34.085
exchanging business cards when the s**t hits a fan.

929
00:42:34.145 --> 00:42:37.525
But, um, I don't know how you do that across every state

930
00:42:37.625 --> 00:42:39.245
and with organizations like Walmart

931
00:42:39.345 --> 00:42:41.045
or, you know, really big companies.

932
00:42:41.045 --> 00:42:44.445
But I, uh, just, just my 2 cents, I think Ira kind

933
00:42:44.445 --> 00:42:46.565
of hit on it, it,

934
00:42:46.825 --> 00:42:49.325
it very much his personal relationships are

935
00:42:49.325 --> 00:42:51.165
what keep most of these things going. Yeah.

936
00:42:51.385 --> 00:42:53.445
And, and Tom, I, I'd add onto that, I agree

937
00:42:53.445 --> 00:42:54.645
with Jim completely on that.

938
00:42:54.765 --> 00:42:59.245
I, I think, I think cons, the consortium's role here is

939
00:42:59.245 --> 00:43:01.325
what it's done well and done best for 20 years.

940
00:43:01.865 --> 00:43:05.405
It serves as a convener. It serves as an honest broker.

941
00:43:05.545 --> 00:43:09.485
It serves as a safe space. It served as a trusted partner.

942
00:43:09.675 --> 00:43:11.645
It's that place where, you know, you can come in

943
00:43:11.945 --> 00:43:14.045
to Jim's point, have personal relationships.

944
00:43:14.505 --> 00:43:16.525
You could come in as Lee is today,

945
00:43:16.525 --> 00:43:17.925
and have a conversation with folks

946
00:43:17.925 --> 00:43:19.925
that have been having these conversations for 20 years

947
00:43:20.385 --> 00:43:22.205
and not feel like you're starting behind.

948
00:43:22.305 --> 00:43:23.765
You're right there in the middle of it.

949
00:43:24.065 --> 00:43:26.365
You've got those relationships, you've got that trust,

950
00:43:26.365 --> 00:43:28.805
you've got safe space to say what's on your mind right away.

951
00:43:29.345 --> 00:43:32.605
Um, in particular where folks like Ira, uh, you know,

952
00:43:32.605 --> 00:43:35.805
from our states are talking to private sector folks, you,

953
00:43:35.825 --> 00:43:38.565
you don't have to f around with all that other crap.

954
00:43:38.565 --> 00:43:39.565
You can cut right to the chase

955
00:43:39.565 --> 00:43:41.325
and have those conversations about the things

956
00:43:41.325 --> 00:43:42.525
you need to talk about.

957
00:43:42.985 --> 00:43:45.885
So to me, it's continuing, uh, what we've,

958
00:43:45.895 --> 00:43:47.085
we've always been best at.

959
00:43:47.985 --> 00:43:52.205
So, so it's the mission of emergency management.

960
00:43:53.265 --> 00:43:56.135
It's called coordination. It's the core mission.

961
00:43:57.305 --> 00:43:59.685
It is a mission that relies on a couple of things.

962
00:43:59.865 --> 00:44:03.245
One is the, is a, um, a trust.

963
00:44:04.045 --> 00:44:06.025
You're establishing trust.

964
00:44:06.375 --> 00:44:08.105
It's, you're establishing that

965
00:44:08.215 --> 00:44:12.505
because the convener, as, as Tom puts it, is, uh,

966
00:44:12.505 --> 00:44:13.945
perceived to be impartial.

967
00:44:14.835 --> 00:44:17.265
Right? And, you know, it's funny that we talked

968
00:44:17.285 --> 00:44:18.745
for a half hour and we, and,

969
00:44:18.745 --> 00:44:21.425
and somebody finally said, you know, we should do

970
00:44:21.425 --> 00:44:24.105
what the All Hazards consortium does, right?

971
00:44:24.265 --> 00:44:27.185
I mean, it, it's, I think we should start with that, right?

972
00:44:27.645 --> 00:44:30.705
Um, there's a couple of key aspects

973
00:44:30.705 --> 00:44:32.005
to this conversation, right?

974
00:44:32.385 --> 00:44:36.565
The first one, Lee starts out talking about, you know, that,

975
00:44:37.265 --> 00:44:39.645
um, what I call rat poison, you know,

976
00:44:39.665 --> 00:44:42.285
and Nick Saban, the Alabama coach calls it rat poison.

977
00:44:42.505 --> 00:44:44.965
The rat poison issue of, well, they're just vendors,

978
00:44:44.965 --> 00:44:46.325
they just want contracts, right?

979
00:44:46.825 --> 00:44:50.125
And then Ira talks about the other rat poison issue,

980
00:44:50.125 --> 00:44:53.325
which is, well, you know, I, I'm an emergency management,

981
00:44:53.505 --> 00:44:55.125
I'm government, I'm gonna need 'em for something.

982
00:44:55.125 --> 00:44:57.205
And, and half the time they can't deliver in the job.

983
00:44:57.415 --> 00:44:59.605
Those are both rat poison issues.

984
00:44:59.675 --> 00:45:01.045
They poison the well, right?

985
00:45:01.075 --> 00:45:04.365
They prevent us from making progress on this issue.

986
00:45:04.465 --> 00:45:06.245
It ain't about either of those things.

987
00:45:07.105 --> 00:45:09.715
It's about what is our shared interest.

988
00:45:09.815 --> 00:45:13.395
Our shared interest is the delivery

989
00:45:13.495 --> 00:45:15.275
of coordination in the job.

990
00:45:15.455 --> 00:45:18.955
How do we do that? We do it the same way every time.

991
00:45:19.215 --> 00:45:22.915
We convene the individuals, the representatives

992
00:45:22.915 --> 00:45:25.035
that have an ownership stake in the problem,

993
00:45:25.615 --> 00:45:27.955
we provide a shared situational awareness.

994
00:45:28.495 --> 00:45:30.715
We surface the issues, the obstacles,

995
00:45:30.775 --> 00:45:32.715
and the unmet needs, and we work through them.

996
00:45:32.775 --> 00:45:33.835
We call them use cases.

997
00:45:34.255 --> 00:45:36.795
That's what All Hazards consortium does, right?

998
00:45:36.935 --> 00:45:40.515
And you know, it, it's, you know, I'm an emergency manager.

999
00:45:41.155 --> 00:45:43.275
I have one luxury in my job,

1000
00:45:43.695 --> 00:45:47.195
and that is that I can have the same construct in Blue Sky

1001
00:45:47.195 --> 00:45:50.995
that I have in, in, in gray, that no one else can do that.

1002
00:45:50.995 --> 00:45:52.875
Right? My organization can't do that.

1003
00:45:52.945 --> 00:45:55.595
They have a blue sky role. They deliver patient care.

1004
00:45:55.865 --> 00:45:57.475
They just, they deliver research.

1005
00:45:57.855 --> 00:45:59.915
Uh, they deliver, they deliver education.

1006
00:45:59.915 --> 00:46:04.835
They can't have a gray sky organization, but I can, right?

1007
00:46:04.935 --> 00:46:07.235
And so when I, when I convene a working group

1008
00:46:07.335 --> 00:46:10.515
to plan my mass casualty incident response,

1009
00:46:10.895 --> 00:46:13.635
the first thing I tell them is, you've all been deputized.

1010
00:46:14.015 --> 00:46:17.235
You're all the, you're, you, you are my Blue sky team,

1011
00:46:17.235 --> 00:46:18.395
and you are my gray sky team.

1012
00:46:18.395 --> 00:46:20.955
And, and just so you know, just so there's no

1013
00:46:22.115 --> 00:46:25.195
misunderstanding, your phone's gonna ring at two o'clock in

1014
00:46:25.195 --> 00:46:26.555
the morning, and you're gonna be on a call

1015
00:46:26.555 --> 00:46:28.115
and we're all gonna be working the job.

1016
00:46:28.335 --> 00:46:30.235
That's, that's what we're doing right here.

1017
00:46:30.935 --> 00:46:32.595
That's what this is all about.

1018
00:46:33.375 --> 00:46:34.715
That's what this is all about.

1019
00:46:34.775 --> 00:46:37.435
And you know, Lee talked about it, it's a competency model.

1020
00:46:37.435 --> 00:46:40.075
We have to model for the states, what that looks like.

1021
00:46:40.345 --> 00:46:41.355
What does it look like?

1022
00:46:41.535 --> 00:46:43.915
It looks like lifeline working groups,

1023
00:46:44.065 --> 00:46:46.075
working use cases in advance,

1024
00:46:46.655 --> 00:46:49.635
and those same working groups coming together in the job,

1025
00:46:49.975 --> 00:46:51.675
you know, this is not rocket science.

1026
00:46:51.675 --> 00:46:53.195
Yeah. It's not rocket science.

1027
00:46:53.655 --> 00:46:55.755
And we have to model that for the states.

1028
00:46:55.935 --> 00:46:59.115
We have to tell them, you may or may not be doing this is,

1029
00:46:59.115 --> 00:47:00.555
but this is what you need.

1030
00:47:00.705 --> 00:47:02.075
Because that's, you know,

1031
00:47:02.175 --> 00:47:04.795
if the states are having this conversation, there's,

1032
00:47:04.795 --> 00:47:07.395
it's no wonder that nobody's got this figured out, right?

1033
00:47:07.795 --> 00:47:11.275
I mean, this, again, it's, it's, you know,

1034
00:47:11.705 --> 00:47:14.515
it's about getting the private sector back

1035
00:47:15.135 --> 00:47:17.795
and in business that is the mission, you know?

1036
00:47:18.135 --> 00:47:20.235
Yes. Can you, can you provide some

1037
00:47:20.835 --> 00:47:21.955
resources that I may need?

1038
00:47:22.015 --> 00:47:25.515
Yes. Then as Lee said, I got a number you can call, right?

1039
00:47:26.015 --> 00:47:28.475
Do you need a contract with me as a vendor?

1040
00:47:28.835 --> 00:47:30.205
I, I got another number you can call.

1041
00:47:30.205 --> 00:47:31.485
But in this conversation,

1042
00:47:31.615 --> 00:47:33.725
we're not talking about either one of those issues.

1043
00:47:33.815 --> 00:47:36.165
We're talking about how we're all gonna come together

1044
00:47:36.585 --> 00:47:41.045
for the benefit of, uh, uh, uh, of the, the jurisdiction,

1045
00:47:41.265 --> 00:47:44.445
public, private, NGO, everybody to the benefit

1046
00:47:44.465 --> 00:47:45.965
of the affected community, right?

1047
00:47:45.965 --> 00:47:48.325
And what does that mean? That means getting the private

1048
00:47:48.325 --> 00:47:49.525
sector back in business.

1049
00:47:49.525 --> 00:47:53.165
Right? And so, so again, I, I, I, I, it's not,

1050
00:47:53.345 --> 00:47:55.645
but the, here we have, you know, we're,

1051
00:47:55.645 --> 00:47:58.645
we're talking about modeling it, modeling it for the states.

1052
00:47:59.055 --> 00:48:02.445
We've got, you know, at that summit we had how many states,

1053
00:48:02.625 --> 00:48:07.085
you know, we had the Mid-Atlantic states that will stand

1054
00:48:07.085 --> 00:48:09.885
with us and say, yes, this is the competency model.

1055
00:48:10.225 --> 00:48:13.935
We have New York City, which will stand, who will stand

1056
00:48:13.935 --> 00:48:15.815
with us and tell us is this is the competency model.

1057
00:48:16.035 --> 00:48:19.135
We have Walmart that will stand beside us

1058
00:48:19.135 --> 00:48:21.255
and tell, tell states, this is the competency model.

1059
00:48:21.395 --> 00:48:24.975
You don't need anything else That's as good as it gets.

1060
00:48:25.795 --> 00:48:27.295
It don't get any better than that.

1061
00:48:27.555 --> 00:48:29.215
So we have all the ingredients,

1062
00:48:29.235 --> 00:48:31.415
and as Tom Tom said, the time is right.

1063
00:48:32.195 --> 00:48:35.135
And so, you know, it's, it's really just about

1064
00:48:35.355 --> 00:48:37.175
how we deliver that message to people.

1065
00:48:37.475 --> 00:48:40.335
And, you know, and again, I I, I think, I think

1066
00:48:40.335 --> 00:48:43.975
that the competency model is, you know, you demonstrate it,

1067
00:48:43.995 --> 00:48:48.775
you know, you, you can have some very, um, you know,

1068
00:48:49.635 --> 00:48:53.895
uh, uh, uh, very, uh, detailed,

1069
00:48:54.555 --> 00:48:58.735
uh, hard hitting, uh, exercises that show people

1070
00:48:58.795 --> 00:49:00.615
how this thing's gonna work, you know, and,

1071
00:49:00.635 --> 00:49:02.655
and, you know, some catastrophic, isn't it?

1072
00:49:02.735 --> 00:49:06.055
I mean, you know, pick one, pick the, pick the earthquake

1073
00:49:06.055 --> 00:49:09.855
that's coming to the New Madrid fall, pick the, pick the,

1074
00:49:09.915 --> 00:49:13.695
uh, uh, uh, I don't know the hurricane that's coming

1075
00:49:13.755 --> 00:49:17.615
to South Florida at some point, but you know what I mean?

1076
00:49:17.635 --> 00:49:19.735
So it's just, I guess that's just

1077
00:49:19.735 --> 00:49:23.475
because this is what I do, you know, seven days a week.

1078
00:49:23.655 --> 00:49:25.395
It, it, it doesn't seem that hard to me.

1079
00:49:40.075 --> 00:49:41.755
I don't think anybody can talk that one.

1080
00:49:44.265 --> 00:49:47.155
Well, I mean, you know, you can, you can talk, you can,

1081
00:49:47.295 --> 00:49:51.245
you know, what do you

1082
00:49:51.245 --> 00:49:53.465
think, yes or no?

1083
00:49:55.095 --> 00:49:56.385
Okay. You, you're, you're,

1084
00:49:56.385 --> 00:49:58.185
you're right on with all of that.

1085
00:49:59.365 --> 00:50:02.545
We bring the process, right? And we stick to the process.

1086
00:50:02.605 --> 00:50:04.505
And we do the process. And that's what, right,

1087
00:50:05.175 --> 00:50:06.175
I mean, it, it works.

1088
00:50:06.275 --> 00:50:07.735
Uh, Chris, right? It, the, the,

1089
00:50:07.955 --> 00:50:09.215
the fleet working group works,

1090
00:50:09.915 --> 00:50:11.575
the power sector working group works.

1091
00:50:11.585 --> 00:50:13.815
We've seen it work and what, and it works.

1092
00:50:13.995 --> 00:50:16.015
And it, it's the only thing that works in the job.

1093
00:50:16.375 --> 00:50:18.215
I mean, that's what an e ooc does. Yeah.

1094
00:50:18.395 --> 00:50:21.775
And ESF is just a team. These are just teams, right?

1095
00:50:22.275 --> 00:50:23.615
You could call it anything you want.

1096
00:50:23.645 --> 00:50:25.055
It's just a team, right?

1097
00:50:25.765 --> 00:50:29.605
It's ESF, uh, and that's what people get confused about.

1098
00:50:29.605 --> 00:50:31.245
They're like, well, I don't work the same way.

1099
00:50:31.545 --> 00:50:32.925
You, you, you're gathering teams,

1100
00:50:32.925 --> 00:50:35.285
you're just calling it something else, right?

1101
00:50:36.005 --> 00:50:37.785
And your ESF is just a team of teams.

1102
00:50:37.785 --> 00:50:39.305
Your EOC is just a team of teams.

1103
00:50:40.005 --> 00:50:41.505
It is like things with, like things,

1104
00:50:41.725 --> 00:50:43.225
and they're bringing all light things together. Yeah.

1105
00:50:43.865 --> 00:50:45.265
I mean, IRA's big problem,

1106
00:50:45.645 --> 00:50:47.265
big problem has always been the same thing.

1107
00:50:47.335 --> 00:50:51.425
It's like, how does one team at New York City emergency

1108
00:50:51.425 --> 00:50:55.865
management engage the massive, uh, uh, uh, enormity

1109
00:50:56.325 --> 00:50:58.145
of the private sector of New York City?

1110
00:50:58.255 --> 00:50:59.985
It's just a huge, huge thing.

1111
00:51:00.025 --> 00:51:02.025
I mean, you know, because, because ultimately you're just

1112
00:51:02.025 --> 00:51:04.185
talking about bandwidth, right?

1113
00:51:04.285 --> 00:51:05.585
You, you're, you're talk, you know,

1114
00:51:05.585 --> 00:51:09.825
how does a state government, uh, um, effectively

1115
00:51:10.645 --> 00:51:13.505
engage the private sector of their state?

1116
00:51:13.845 --> 00:51:16.745
The private sector of a state is, is a, is a massive,

1117
00:51:16.815 --> 00:51:18.065
massive, is,

1118
00:51:18.065 --> 00:51:19.065
Is is massive. You're,

1119
00:51:19.065 --> 00:51:21.185
you're sorry, I, I got, I got a call in the middle,

1120
00:51:21.205 --> 00:51:22.625
but, but you're a hundred percent right?

1121
00:51:22.685 --> 00:51:25.825
And, and it works on, on the, on during blue sky, right?

1122
00:51:25.845 --> 00:51:27.745
You can spread out those, those conversations.

1123
00:51:27.765 --> 00:51:29.585
You can spread out those, those meetings.

1124
00:51:29.605 --> 00:51:33.225
But then, you know, everyone trying to call at the same time

1125
00:51:33.845 --> 00:51:36.505
and, and manage that at the same time during a, during a,

1126
00:51:36.765 --> 00:51:39.785
an incident, it becomes unreasonable and,

1127
00:51:39.785 --> 00:51:40.945
and, and unmanageable.

1128
00:51:41.495 --> 00:51:42.905
Well, it's a surge, right?

1129
00:51:43.045 --> 00:51:46.305
And, and, and, and surge is the defining

1130
00:51:46.305 --> 00:51:47.985
characteristic of the disaster.

1131
00:51:48.325 --> 00:51:50.345
And the bigger the disaster, the bigger surge.

1132
00:51:50.445 --> 00:51:54.225
So, so, so part of your competency model is, is going back

1133
00:51:54.225 --> 00:51:56.345
to the state and saying, you are gonna have to surge

1134
00:51:57.755 --> 00:52:00.135
on your ability to convene the private sector.

1135
00:52:00.715 --> 00:52:02.855
And, and, and the more you surge,

1136
00:52:02.875 --> 00:52:04.015
and the more you do it,

1137
00:52:04.275 --> 00:52:06.455
the more you get those people in those groups,

1138
00:52:06.795 --> 00:52:09.175
the more you provide that shared situational awareness,

1139
00:52:09.275 --> 00:52:11.695
the more you surface the issues and the obstacles

1140
00:52:11.695 --> 00:52:13.975
and unmet needs that are preventing private sector

1141
00:52:13.975 --> 00:52:15.015
from getting back to business.

1142
00:52:15.435 --> 00:52:18.535
The, the, the, the shorter your restoration timelines.

1143
00:52:18.815 --> 00:52:21.055
I mean, you know, it's not rocket science.

1144
00:52:21.845 --> 00:52:23.215
It's not rocket science. But,

1145
00:52:23.395 --> 00:52:26.575
but I think I, uh, uh, my, my view is first of all,

1146
00:52:27.075 --> 00:52:30.015
you know, the, the states don't have a benchmark

1147
00:52:30.125 --> 00:52:31.495
against which to build.

1148
00:52:31.835 --> 00:52:36.015
And secondly, those two issues are those rat poison issues

1149
00:52:36.075 --> 00:52:37.535
are, are poisoning the well

1150
00:52:37.555 --> 00:52:40.895
and preventing the, it's allowing the state to, to sort

1151
00:52:40.895 --> 00:52:42.015
of shrug its shoulder and say,

1152
00:52:42.095 --> 00:52:43.655
I can't make any progress on this.

1153
00:52:43.935 --> 00:52:46.735
'cause all those, all those, uh, private sector vendors

1154
00:52:47.205 --> 00:52:48.735
that come to my meetings, all they want

1155
00:52:48.735 --> 00:52:50.215
to do is get a, get a state contract.

1156
00:52:50.715 --> 00:52:51.775
You know, two, two

1157
00:52:51.775 --> 00:52:54.935
Things, Kelly, two, two things that, that, that I would,

1158
00:52:55.055 --> 00:52:59.015
I would say is one, if you, if you put out

1159
00:52:59.815 --> 00:53:03.135
a notice, RFP, whatever you want to call it,

1160
00:53:03.915 --> 00:53:05.575
and you, you're gonna have a whole bunch

1161
00:53:05.575 --> 00:53:06.615
of people raise their hand

1162
00:53:06.615 --> 00:53:08.215
and say, we wanna participate in this.

1163
00:53:08.565 --> 00:53:09.975
Once you get 'em in the room together

1164
00:53:10.155 --> 00:53:13.055
and say, there are no contracts, there are no benefits,

1165
00:53:13.065 --> 00:53:16.495
there are no other things that you're just helping us

1166
00:53:17.565 --> 00:53:19.975
work together in order to be able to do this.

1167
00:53:20.795 --> 00:53:23.015
You're slowly, maybe not

1168
00:53:23.035 --> 00:53:25.645
so slowly gonna start losing a lot of those.

1169
00:53:26.005 --> 00:53:28.085
A lot of those people who, who show up to

1170
00:53:28.085 --> 00:53:29.405
that first meeting, they

1171
00:53:29.405 --> 00:53:30.525
won't show up to the second meeting.

1172
00:53:30.525 --> 00:53:31.885
They won't show up to the fifth meeting.

1173
00:53:31.885 --> 00:53:34.125
They, they certainly won't show up to the 10th meeting.

1174
00:53:34.665 --> 00:53:36.445
So I, I think that there is,

1175
00:53:36.995 --> 00:53:39.285
because I, I, I absolutely agree.

1176
00:53:39.325 --> 00:53:40.525
I can't have a relationship

1177
00:53:40.525 --> 00:53:43.765
with every municipality in the united, in the United States.

1178
00:53:44.525 --> 00:53:45.885
I, I don't have the bandwidth

1179
00:53:45.945 --> 00:53:47.165
in order to be able to do that.

1180
00:53:47.665 --> 00:53:52.325
But if there are people who want to participate, I'm,

1181
00:53:52.385 --> 00:53:54.605
I'm happy to make the time for them to see

1182
00:53:54.625 --> 00:53:56.845
how we can work together in order to be able to do that.

1183
00:53:57.465 --> 00:54:01.525
The other thing is now being the time where a lot

1184
00:54:01.525 --> 00:54:03.325
of the things that, and you guys,

1185
00:54:03.475 --> 00:54:05.125
this is assumption on my part.

1186
00:54:05.185 --> 00:54:09.935
So I'll, I'll admit that FEMA is not going

1187
00:54:09.935 --> 00:54:12.135
to be providing a lot of the things

1188
00:54:12.135 --> 00:54:13.455
that they have been providing.

1189
00:54:14.455 --> 00:54:16.995
So instead of having relationships with

1190
00:54:17.665 --> 00:54:21.515
however many FEMA people that, that departments have,

1191
00:54:21.585 --> 00:54:26.035
have depended on, some of those resources will shift to

1192
00:54:26.035 --> 00:54:30.235
where they now can find resources that they need in order

1193
00:54:30.235 --> 00:54:32.195
to be able to, to serve their communities.

1194
00:54:32.935 --> 00:54:36.875
So is there a possibility that there is a shift from

1195
00:54:37.815 --> 00:54:39.195
the dependents on fema?

1196
00:54:39.345 --> 00:54:43.835
Hopefully it's dependent upon themselves, um, uh,

1197
00:54:44.415 --> 00:54:46.115
is what they go to, but then they,

1198
00:54:46.225 --> 00:54:49.395
they have additional resources available to, to open up

1199
00:54:50.165 --> 00:54:52.195
where they see success taking place.

1200
00:54:52.975 --> 00:54:56.075
Uh, everybody talks about North Carolina per has done a

1201
00:54:56.075 --> 00:54:57.595
fantastic job and people, you,

1202
00:54:57.595 --> 00:55:00.355
you've got use cases outta North Carolina all day long,

1203
00:55:02.665 --> 00:55:05.195
because, because you've had somebody in there

1204
00:55:05.195 --> 00:55:06.275
that's been able to show it.

1205
00:55:10.915 --> 00:55:14.055
PSL that PSL is, is, is a big component to that.

1206
00:55:15.415 --> 00:55:19.435
I'd venture to say, Lee, just from Kelly's comments

1207
00:55:19.535 --> 00:55:23.145
to your comments, we had a

1208
00:55:23.145 --> 00:55:24.225
pretty big paintbrush right there.

1209
00:55:24.885 --> 00:55:26.265
Um, to IRA's point,

1210
00:55:26.265 --> 00:55:29.825
and having been a municipal emergency manager, yeah,

1211
00:55:29.845 --> 00:55:31.385
we got a ton of restaurants,

1212
00:55:31.425 --> 00:55:32.705
a ton of businesses, a ton of things.

1213
00:55:32.945 --> 00:55:36.065
I got an organization structure for all that, right? Yes.

1214
00:55:36.295 --> 00:55:38.305
Well, all of them try to call whoever, whenever,

1215
00:55:38.305 --> 00:55:40.505
however they can to figure, sure.

1216
00:55:40.525 --> 00:55:42.545
But at least they have a structure I can keep kicking 'em

1217
00:55:42.545 --> 00:55:43.705
back into, right?

1218
00:55:44.245 --> 00:55:46.305
And so my business improvement districts throughout the

1219
00:55:46.425 --> 00:55:48.625
District of Columbia are pretty much handling

1220
00:55:48.625 --> 00:55:49.825
that communication chain with them.

1221
00:55:49.845 --> 00:55:52.545
And I can get them to do what we need to do from blue sky

1222
00:55:52.565 --> 00:55:54.345
to gray sky to black sky.

1223
00:55:56.175 --> 00:55:58.705
Then you kick it into, you were talking about your,

1224
00:55:58.705 --> 00:55:59.865
our three lanes earlier,

1225
00:56:00.405 --> 00:56:02.945
and I think that third lane that's not really called out

1226
00:56:03.565 --> 00:56:04.945
are, I don't know,

1227
00:56:05.405 --> 00:56:07.545
I'm gonna quote a little animal farm here, that, you know,

1228
00:56:07.725 --> 00:56:09.665
all animals are created equal,

1229
00:56:09.665 --> 00:56:10.785
but some are more equal than others.

1230
00:56:11.445 --> 00:56:14.075
You know, when you're talking to the Walmarts of the world,

1231
00:56:14.075 --> 00:56:15.555
you're talking to the Home Depots of the world.

1232
00:56:15.635 --> 00:56:17.555
You're talking to the larger organizations

1233
00:56:17.555 --> 00:56:20.155
that are nationwide that could have an impact when you're

1234
00:56:20.155 --> 00:56:22.155
doing a disaster like a national larger,

1235
00:56:22.215 --> 00:56:25.085
as Kelly was saying, a larger disaster has greater area

1236
00:56:25.345 --> 00:56:28.125
or a very bad impact in a certain area

1237
00:56:28.835 --> 00:56:30.325
that comes with a different structure.

1238
00:56:30.345 --> 00:56:33.085
And what I think what you're saying is there are those

1239
00:56:33.085 --> 00:56:34.405
that can bring a different structure.

1240
00:56:35.455 --> 00:56:36.915
We can respond in a different way.

1241
00:56:37.255 --> 00:56:38.835
Yes, we're gonna get our store back open,

1242
00:56:39.175 --> 00:56:40.515
but we have other things that we can bring

1243
00:56:40.655 --> 00:56:42.875
as well to the affected area.

1244
00:56:43.455 --> 00:56:45.235
So I think that's a, a little bit of a nuance

1245
00:56:45.235 --> 00:56:46.515
and a difference in the conversation.

1246
00:56:47.415 --> 00:56:48.795
The question is the plugin,

1247
00:56:48.795 --> 00:56:50.635
and everybody here has talked about relationships.

1248
00:56:50.775 --> 00:56:53.795
And you know, I I, I used to

1249
00:56:54.585 --> 00:56:56.995
rail off on my folks in our EOC

1250
00:56:56.995 --> 00:57:00.675
because when I first got there, everybody had a guy, right?

1251
00:57:01.215 --> 00:57:03.635
Mm-hmm. I call it the Bubba calls, right?

1252
00:57:04.335 --> 00:57:05.675
So, hey, what are we gonna do about this?

1253
00:57:05.785 --> 00:57:07.075
I'll, I'll call Bubba over here,

1254
00:57:07.075 --> 00:57:08.115
and Bubba will take care of it.

1255
00:57:08.225 --> 00:57:09.835
What happens if Bubba gets hit by a bus?

1256
00:57:09.835 --> 00:57:11.595
What happens if Bubba retires? Right?

1257
00:57:11.855 --> 00:57:13.755
That's where everything falls apart. I agree.

1258
00:57:13.755 --> 00:57:15.435
You gotta have the relationships and it's a relationship

1259
00:57:15.715 --> 00:57:18.835
business, but you don't put structure within that business.

1260
00:57:19.255 --> 00:57:23.975
And that relationship you are wholly reliant on when you're

1261
00:57:23.975 --> 00:57:25.975
doing turnover briefs from one leader

1262
00:57:25.995 --> 00:57:27.255
or one person to another.

1263
00:57:27.555 --> 00:57:29.135
And those never really work out.

1264
00:57:29.375 --> 00:57:31.415
'cause the new person coming in has got their mind focused

1265
00:57:31.435 --> 00:57:33.215
on what they wanna do, and they're kind

1266
00:57:33.215 --> 00:57:34.815
of listening over here to things that are going on.

1267
00:57:34.815 --> 00:57:36.335
And if they're good, they'll listen. They'll look at,

1268
00:57:36.715 --> 00:57:38.415
but they're still looking at where they want to go.

1269
00:57:39.035 --> 00:57:40.855
So structure is what makes it, I think a lot

1270
00:57:40.855 --> 00:57:41.895
of everybody was saying that as well.

1271
00:57:42.175 --> 00:57:44.855
Structure is what makes it so how do we, how do

1272
00:57:45.205 --> 00:57:46.415
what, what's your thought?

1273
00:57:46.775 --> 00:57:48.055
'cause the consortium can do this.

1274
00:57:48.635 --> 00:57:50.015
We have trusted relationships,

1275
00:57:50.355 --> 00:57:53.135
we can leverage trusted relationships to work a work case

1276
00:57:53.555 --> 00:57:57.055
to our use case to provide an outcome.

1277
00:57:57.645 --> 00:57:59.055
Sometimes small ones lead

1278
00:57:59.055 --> 00:58:00.095
to bigger ones, those kind of things.

1279
00:58:00.155 --> 00:58:02.935
But in your view, how would you see this

1280
00:58:03.995 --> 00:58:06.815
moving forward from what you are offering here of

1281
00:58:06.815 --> 00:58:10.095
that third leg inside the private sector stuff?

1282
00:58:10.295 --> 00:58:13.255
I take Kelly's, right, with the rat poison stuff, let's say,

1283
00:58:13.675 --> 00:58:15.855
you know, perfect world, we're able to, to squash that

1284
00:58:15.915 --> 00:58:18.055
for a second and just have the conversation of

1285
00:58:18.245 --> 00:58:19.535
what is it we're delivering here?

1286
00:58:19.835 --> 00:58:20.975
What's in your mind for that?

1287
00:58:23.165 --> 00:58:24.655
What do you mean? What are we delivering here?

1288
00:58:24.965 --> 00:58:26.215
What, what is, what's the,

1289
00:58:26.235 --> 00:58:28.135
what's the utopia of what you're talking about?

1290
00:58:28.135 --> 00:58:29.135
Where's the end goal?

1291
00:58:31.105 --> 00:58:34.285
The end goal is to have, have a group of, um, uh,

1292
00:58:34.515 --> 00:58:37.525
private sector partners that are, that are working with,

1293
00:58:37.635 --> 00:58:42.565
with the, um, emergency management officials at state,

1294
00:58:42.565 --> 00:58:44.045
local and, and federal

1295
00:58:44.185 --> 00:58:47.525
and tribal levels, helping to, to solve problems.

1296
00:58:48.225 --> 00:58:49.645
Uh, and sharing the,

1297
00:58:49.645 --> 00:58:51.765
sharing the capacity that they bring to the table.

1298
00:58:52.305 --> 00:58:55.845
If it's nothing more than information sharing, that's a win.

1299
00:58:56.755 --> 00:58:59.615
Uh, because you have more of an idea of

1300
00:58:59.685 --> 00:59:03.495
what we can do from a private sector perspective, uh,

1301
00:59:03.635 --> 00:59:08.305
and what we, what we can, what we can grow to do

1302
00:59:09.415 --> 00:59:10.825
when it's most needed.

1303
00:59:12.355 --> 00:59:15.695
And the passion that we bring to the table. That's a win.

1304
00:59:15.875 --> 00:59:19.455
Uh, just simply knowing that, uh, if there are other areas

1305
00:59:19.545 --> 00:59:23.325
where we're able to help, uh, find ways to,

1306
00:59:23.585 --> 00:59:28.125
to find improvement by doing six Sigma exercises

1307
00:59:28.145 --> 00:59:32.325
and all that other kind of stuff, uh, to say, uh, I used

1308
00:59:32.325 --> 00:59:34.125
to work at the Red Cross and so one of the things

1309
00:59:34.125 --> 00:59:35.325
that Red Cross used to come to Walmart

1310
00:59:35.425 --> 00:59:38.165
for all the time was you have logistics expertise.

1311
00:59:38.225 --> 00:59:40.685
You got logistics expertise. We do.

1312
00:59:41.785 --> 00:59:43.045
Uh, and, but, but where

1313
00:59:43.045 --> 00:59:45.365
that partnership would always fall apart is, well,

1314
00:59:45.365 --> 00:59:48.645
we don't want to give Walmart special recognition

1315
00:59:48.665 --> 00:59:52.045
for logistics when we also work with FedEx and UPS

1316
00:59:52.145 --> 00:59:54.165
and Home Depot and those others.

1317
00:59:54.185 --> 00:59:55.765
And we're like, bring 'em.

1318
00:59:56.065 --> 00:59:58.525
So it, Lee, it's, it's great to hear you say that

1319
00:59:58.645 --> 01:00:00.405
'cause that that's something in the, in the back of my mind,

1320
01:00:00.545 --> 01:00:01.885
you know, years ago, um,

1321
01:00:02.195 --> 01:00:06.445
when we started the BCEM Emerging Leaders program, um, one

1322
01:00:06.445 --> 01:00:08.525
of, and we, we were partnering with Target at the time,

1323
01:00:08.945 --> 01:00:12.605
and one of the things that that, that, that we were trying

1324
01:00:12.605 --> 01:00:13.645
to push and, and,

1325
01:00:13.645 --> 01:00:17.285
and there were lots of conversations around was how do we,

1326
01:00:17.345 --> 01:00:20.725
how do we leverage some of the, some of these other areas

1327
01:00:20.955 --> 01:00:22.965
that the private sector is so good at?

1328
01:00:23.465 --> 01:00:26.445
Um, that, that to train other, to train parts

1329
01:00:26.465 --> 01:00:28.405
of our public, uh, our public sector.

1330
01:00:28.425 --> 01:00:30.725
And an example I would use was, was, you know,

1331
01:00:30.985 --> 01:00:33.085
target targets as an example.

1332
01:00:33.085 --> 01:00:34.285
Sorry, I know it says, but,

1333
01:00:34.285 --> 01:00:35.965
but I'm sure Walmart doesn't too.

1334
01:00:35.965 --> 01:00:36.965
Right? Either way.

1335
01:00:37.185 --> 01:00:41.165
Retail giants have amazing, you know, um, um,

1336
01:00:41.395 --> 01:00:44.885
marketing teams who have, who've, who figured out all sorts

1337
01:00:44.885 --> 01:00:47.925
of metrics and know exactly when to put together, how

1338
01:00:47.925 --> 01:00:49.925
to put together an ad that's going to speak

1339
01:00:49.945 --> 01:00:52.445
to their target audience to tell, to convince them

1340
01:00:52.445 --> 01:00:53.685
to do X, Y, and Z.

1341
01:00:53.945 --> 01:00:56.245
And for, for, for, for retail, it's to come in

1342
01:00:56.245 --> 01:00:58.165
and buy something at a specific time.

1343
01:00:58.585 --> 01:01:00.525
And, and we, we have a whole bunch of people

1344
01:01:00.625 --> 01:01:02.565
who really mean, who really want

1345
01:01:02.565 --> 01:01:05.085
to do great stuff on the public sector side who try

1346
01:01:05.085 --> 01:01:08.765
to come up with a preparedness campaign or, or, or, or,

1347
01:01:08.825 --> 01:01:10.565
or, you know, national preparedness month.

1348
01:01:10.825 --> 01:01:13.365
And we sit around, uh, you know, trying to come up

1349
01:01:13.365 --> 01:01:14.445
with what's an ad look like.

1350
01:01:14.445 --> 01:01:16.685
Well, you know what, Hey, why don't we take a few,

1351
01:01:16.785 --> 01:01:19.005
why don't we, why don't we bring people, some

1352
01:01:19.005 --> 01:01:21.405
of those subject matter experts at, at, at Walmart

1353
01:01:21.985 --> 01:01:24.005
to give a class or talk about how

1354
01:01:24.005 --> 01:01:26.725
to find the right target audience and then,

1355
01:01:26.725 --> 01:01:27.925
and then bring our public sector.

1356
01:01:27.925 --> 01:01:29.965
So it's not just about the response in my mind.

1357
01:01:30.075 --> 01:01:31.845
There's so much other, so much other,

1358
01:01:32.225 --> 01:01:33.885
so many other resources on the, on the,

1359
01:01:33.885 --> 01:01:37.365
on the private sector side that can be used to educate

1360
01:01:37.385 --> 01:01:38.605
and influence and, and,

1361
01:01:38.625 --> 01:01:41.925
and make the public sector that much better at their job.

1362
01:01:42.445 --> 01:01:43.805
I don't know, I just wanted to throw that out there.

1363
01:01:43.965 --> 01:01:44.965
'cause I, I heard you talking about it

1364
01:01:44.965 --> 01:01:46.925
and I think it's been, it's been on my mind

1365
01:01:46.945 --> 01:01:48.005
for, for a few years.

1366
01:01:48.825 --> 01:01:51.645
You know, let me since, since that emerging leader, I,

1367
01:01:51.725 --> 01:01:52.725
I absolutely agree. And,

1368
01:01:52.725 --> 01:01:54.765
and that's one of the things that I would like to,

1369
01:01:55.265 --> 01:01:58.485
we want, we want to be able, that's another part

1370
01:01:58.485 --> 01:02:00.285
of my job is, is preparedness.

1371
01:02:00.505 --> 01:02:03.205
And so I've got to come up with a preparedness strategy

1372
01:02:03.425 --> 01:02:07.885
for our associates, 1.4 million people in the United States.

1373
01:02:08.625 --> 01:02:11.845
Um, and, and so I, I've reached out

1374
01:02:11.845 --> 01:02:13.445
to different states to say, what are you doing?

1375
01:02:13.555 --> 01:02:14.965
What can I help you leverage?

1376
01:02:15.265 --> 01:02:18.045
Rather than I go out and create all these things.

1377
01:02:18.155 --> 01:02:20.085
What, what can I actually leverage?

1378
01:02:20.225 --> 01:02:22.965
Uh, what, what can I actually work with you on so that

1379
01:02:23.775 --> 01:02:25.645
we're, we're amplifying each other.

1380
01:02:25.855 --> 01:02:27.845
We're not working against one another.

1381
01:02:28.185 --> 01:02:32.085
Um, and, uh, so it, I think it would be great if, um,

1382
01:02:33.225 --> 01:02:35.205
if if, um, there was an opportunity

1383
01:02:35.205 --> 01:02:39.045
to get five different marketing teams from different groups,

1384
01:02:39.265 --> 01:02:40.845
uh, from different companies together

1385
01:02:40.905 --> 01:02:42.965
and say, okay, what's, what's

1386
01:02:43.645 --> 01:02:44.765
September look like for this year?

1387
01:02:45.065 --> 01:02:48.645
Here's, here's our idea. And let 'em noodle on it.

1388
01:02:48.705 --> 01:02:51.845
Let 'em, let 'em work with each other on it. Mm-hmm.

1389
01:02:51.925 --> 01:02:54.045
So I, I think there's an opportunity to leverage some of

1390
01:02:54.045 --> 01:02:55.605
that expertise that's in the room.

1391
01:02:56.225 --> 01:02:59.445
Not for any one of us, but for the society as a whole.

1392
01:02:59.835 --> 01:03:02.845
That these five companies came together

1393
01:03:02.945 --> 01:03:04.725
and worked with the federal government

1394
01:03:04.725 --> 01:03:06.405
or whatever government to, to come up

1395
01:03:06.405 --> 01:03:08.085
with this preparedness plan.

1396
01:03:08.825 --> 01:03:10.765
And we rolled it out

1397
01:03:10.945 --> 01:03:13.365
and we were able to, to leverage that to our people.

1398
01:03:13.505 --> 01:03:15.685
We were able to leverage it to our customers.

1399
01:03:15.705 --> 01:03:18.685
We were able to leverage it, uh, on local media.

1400
01:03:19.655 --> 01:03:21.425
Well, Tom, well Lee, if you're working

1401
01:03:21.425 --> 01:03:23.465
with the federal government, I would just say that, uh,

1402
01:03:23.845 --> 01:03:25.785
you're, you can't, you're, you're,

1403
01:03:25.885 --> 01:03:27.545
you're not gonna get anything out in September.

1404
01:03:27.565 --> 01:03:29.065
If you start in September, you're gonna get it out.

1405
01:03:29.975 --> 01:03:31.985
Last two years. I was asking in July

1406
01:03:32.215 --> 01:03:33.905
what the plan was and got zero.

1407
01:03:35.725 --> 01:03:37.905
Let me invite Mike Ambrosio for comment.

1408
01:03:37.975 --> 01:03:38.975
Mike, you still with us?

1409
01:03:40.375 --> 01:03:41.795
I'm still here. I'm still here.

1410
01:03:42.625 --> 01:03:45.275
Okay. I wanted to get your brush on the canvas.

1411
01:03:45.585 --> 01:03:47.155
This is not gonna be our last conversation.

1412
01:03:47.275 --> 01:03:50.475
I just wanted to get your thoughts on this as well.

1413
01:03:50.475 --> 01:03:51.555
While everybody's chiming in.

1414
01:03:52.235 --> 01:03:55.715
I mean, I, I, I think Jim, Jim would know what the, uh,

1415
01:03:55.965 --> 01:03:57.915
Jimmy, going back to the IAC

1416
01:03:57.915 --> 01:03:59.395
and what we had there in New Jersey,

1417
01:04:00.175 --> 01:04:03.155
and it was just bringing every one of the private sector

1418
01:04:04.195 --> 01:04:08.895
companies from the phone, from Verizon to gas,

1419
01:04:09.495 --> 01:04:12.695
electric food, water, sewer,

1420
01:04:13.115 --> 01:04:15.655
transportation, everything.

1421
01:04:16.155 --> 01:04:18.175
And we used to meet every quarter

1422
01:04:19.285 --> 01:04:20.905
and we would continually go over

1423
01:04:21.375 --> 01:04:23.345
what the scenario would be just in the event

1424
01:04:23.345 --> 01:04:25.305
that we had a problem or something happened.

1425
01:04:25.965 --> 01:04:30.345
And, um, this all sounds like it, it, it, it's great.

1426
01:04:30.525 --> 01:04:33.625
But I can tell you that when Sandy hit

1427
01:04:34.445 --> 01:04:37.215
that all bets were off, everybody was like,

1428
01:04:37.215 --> 01:04:38.975
it was like mercury hitting the ground.

1429
01:04:38.975 --> 01:04:40.615
Everybody just started to scatter.

1430
01:04:41.555 --> 01:04:44.215
And all of the preparing that we did and this

1431
01:04:44.215 --> 01:04:47.535
and that, all it was was a phone call from an executive from

1432
01:04:47.615 --> 01:04:50.895
a company getting a phone call from the governor's office.

1433
01:04:51.395 --> 01:04:53.855
And then every procedure we had in place, well,

1434
01:04:53.865 --> 01:04:54.935
we're not gonna do that now.

1435
01:04:55.135 --> 01:04:56.415
'cause the governor called this one

1436
01:04:56.415 --> 01:04:57.575
and that one called that one.

1437
01:04:57.675 --> 01:04:59.695
So it's, it, it becomes,

1438
01:04:59.915 --> 01:05:01.695
it becomes a nightmare after a while.

1439
01:05:02.235 --> 01:05:04.535
But the whole, the, the whole thing,

1440
01:05:05.735 --> 01:05:07.255
I guess I've been listening to a half an hour

1441
01:05:07.255 --> 01:05:08.375
and I still don't understand

1442
01:05:08.475 --> 01:05:10.575
how we would fit into this whole scenario.

1443
01:05:11.815 --> 01:05:16.635
I just don't know how we can put ourselves in a position to

1444
01:05:16.825 --> 01:05:19.165
Help both sides of the equation.

1445
01:05:19.595 --> 01:05:21.245
Well, Mike, I mean, I think

1446
01:05:21.245 --> 01:05:22.965
what you're, I think you're, you.

1447
01:05:22.995 --> 01:05:24.365
Yeah, its kind of what I was saying

1448
01:05:24.365 --> 01:05:27.605
before is that the, that, you know, this is what I saw

1449
01:05:27.605 --> 01:05:29.605
with the IACI mean, I, I saw it.

1450
01:05:29.605 --> 01:05:32.245
I, I, there was no a HC, there was no, I, you know,

1451
01:05:32.275 --> 01:05:33.765
there's almost no structure

1452
01:05:34.135 --> 01:05:35.525
after, right after September 11th.

1453
01:05:35.605 --> 01:05:38.925
Right. So, um, you know, we were going, going around there,

1454
01:05:38.925 --> 01:05:40.845
people were calling us up saying, Hey, could you go

1455
01:05:40.845 --> 01:05:42.445
to this place, that place, get gloves?

1456
01:05:43.045 --> 01:05:44.725
Remember, like, get gloves, these things. I remember that.

1457
01:05:44.905 --> 01:05:48.405
And I was like going like to Lowe's and, and, uh, home Depot

1458
01:05:48.545 --> 01:05:49.805
and seeing if had gloves.

1459
01:05:49.805 --> 01:05:51.485
And they're like, you're the fifth person

1460
01:05:51.485 --> 01:05:52.925
that came in here looking for gloves.

1461
01:05:53.065 --> 01:05:55.685
Who anybody coordinating this glove search? You know?

1462
01:05:55.825 --> 01:05:59.165
Um, and you had, you had, you had, but what I did see,

1463
01:05:59.165 --> 01:06:01.285
and then I saw it again on Sandy, was

1464
01:06:01.285 --> 01:06:03.605
that there was no deconfliction.

1465
01:06:04.105 --> 01:06:07.005
So I, I mean, I, that's one of the things I think, Tom,

1466
01:06:07.005 --> 01:06:10.365
that, um, there's no deconfliction, like you, you, you,

1467
01:06:10.365 --> 01:06:12.005
you're talking about dealing with a state, right?

1468
01:06:12.555 --> 01:06:15.365
Well, the, the state, like when you, during Sandy,

1469
01:06:15.825 --> 01:06:18.805
if you called the, if I, if I called the, the EOC

1470
01:06:18.805 --> 01:06:22.165
for anything, they, they shined me on, there was no,

1471
01:06:22.465 --> 01:06:23.485
you know, it was yeah.

1472
01:06:23.485 --> 01:06:26.045
Really a free for all like fuel.

1473
01:06:26.955 --> 01:06:28.185
There was, there was no fuel.

1474
01:06:28.385 --> 01:06:32.345
I was going around, you know, leveraging other people

1475
01:06:32.345 --> 01:06:34.865
that had a pump that could pump out a gas station, you know?

1476
01:06:34.865 --> 01:06:36.145
Right, right. Right.

1477
01:06:37.535 --> 01:06:39.985
Mike, I, I, sorry, Jim. You're right.

1478
01:06:39.985 --> 01:06:43.065
And, and I think, I think Mike, the, the role for a HC is

1479
01:06:43.125 --> 01:06:48.105
to, is to, is to provide sort of the, um, independent,

1480
01:06:48.405 --> 01:06:52.265
um, validator, be the independent validator and str and,

1481
01:06:52.285 --> 01:06:55.345
and, and provide a structure that's easily adaptable.

1482
01:06:55.715 --> 01:06:58.305
Every single, every single on the public sector side,

1483
01:06:58.585 --> 01:07:00.185
everyone you talk to will say, yeah, we, we need

1484
01:07:00.185 --> 01:07:01.785
to have engagement with the private sector.

1485
01:07:02.285 --> 01:07:05.265
And then they're like, okay, now what do I do?

1486
01:07:05.545 --> 01:07:07.265
I agree with you, but now, now how do I do that?

1487
01:07:07.885 --> 01:07:11.905
And, and, and no offense to Lee, uh, but,

1488
01:07:11.965 --> 01:07:15.785
but getting direction from the private sector about how

1489
01:07:15.785 --> 01:07:18.985
to build it is going to give a lot of people, uh,

1490
01:07:19.915 --> 01:07:21.085
concern, right?

1491
01:07:21.085 --> 01:07:22.885
They're, they're, they're just, they're just gonna, I,

1492
01:07:23.005 --> 01:07:24.165
I feel like a lot of, a lot

1493
01:07:24.165 --> 01:07:27.245
of my colleagues at the larger municipal level or

1494
01:07:27.245 --> 01:07:28.565
or municipal will, will,

1495
01:07:28.795 --> 01:07:30.165
will say, yeah, that's a great idea.

1496
01:07:30.585 --> 01:07:33.965
But if it's, if, if, if, if, if you come at it with a,

1497
01:07:33.965 --> 01:07:36.125
here's here's the structure, here's how you do it.

1498
01:07:36.125 --> 01:07:39.005
Here's the the use case, here's the validator, here's,

1499
01:07:39.185 --> 01:07:41.085
here's, here's how you build a program.

1500
01:07:41.785 --> 01:07:45.325
Um, and it's been, and it's been validated by

1501
01:07:45.945 --> 01:07:47.605
the private sector that this is something

1502
01:07:47.605 --> 01:07:48.765
that they would engage in.

1503
01:07:49.185 --> 01:07:52.205
Um, because we've, we've, we've had those conversations.

1504
01:07:52.355 --> 01:07:56.285
Then I think a HC has done a great service to a lot

1505
01:07:56.285 --> 01:07:58.485
of jurisdictions that don't know where to start.

1506
01:07:58.905 --> 01:08:00.965
And, and, and I think that that's, that's,

1507
01:08:00.965 --> 01:08:04.645
that's a value add for, um, for,

1508
01:08:04.905 --> 01:08:07.245
for the A HC and for the public sector side.

1509
01:08:07.485 --> 01:08:09.885
I, i, just a quick comment here, Lee.

1510
01:08:09.885 --> 01:08:13.045
When we started the fleet response working

1511
01:08:13.045 --> 01:08:16.235
group, we had a problem.

1512
01:08:17.755 --> 01:08:20.205
It's very simple. The electric sector

1513
01:08:20.665 --> 01:08:23.965
and others had an issue of crossing state lines,

1514
01:08:25.025 --> 01:08:26.115
massive delay.

1515
01:08:26.505 --> 01:08:28.195
This is a crystal clear problem.

1516
01:08:28.415 --> 01:08:31.765
It involved multiple states, federal government,

1517
01:08:32.705 --> 01:08:34.725
and they had a meeting, they brought everybody together

1518
01:08:34.965 --> 01:08:39.585
carrying like a summit, and they brainstorm 20

1519
01:08:39.685 --> 01:08:41.905
or 30 different possible solutions

1520
01:08:41.965 --> 01:08:46.305
to this problem from credentialing to training, whatever.

1521
01:08:46.325 --> 01:08:47.585
And the bottom line was

1522
01:08:47.655 --> 01:08:50.225
that they really greatly picked two or three.

1523
01:08:51.085 --> 01:08:55.545
And, um, then DHS was facilitating this meeting.

1524
01:08:55.695 --> 01:08:56.785
They asked me to attend.

1525
01:08:57.205 --> 01:09:00.945
And, um, I said, I'll attend if you let two states come

1526
01:09:00.945 --> 01:09:02.585
because states are gonna be involved in this.

1527
01:09:02.585 --> 01:09:04.105
We had Jersey and Pennsylvania, right?

1528
01:09:05.445 --> 01:09:07.505
But the, the benefit of that was, I,

1529
01:09:07.585 --> 01:09:08.705
I told 'em, you gotta pick one.

1530
01:09:09.915 --> 01:09:13.645
You can't solve 15 things. You gotta pick one. Okay?

1531
01:09:13.665 --> 01:09:16.485
And you gotta start with companies that can resource it.

1532
01:09:17.275 --> 01:09:20.255
You, you can't, we gotta make sure the little utilities are

1533
01:09:20.315 --> 01:09:21.455
no, no, no, you, you can't do that.

1534
01:09:21.455 --> 01:09:22.815
They don't have the time there. The, you have

1535
01:09:22.815 --> 01:09:23.855
to start and build a model.

1536
01:09:24.955 --> 01:09:27.295
Uh, and so they did, they started,

1537
01:09:28.285 --> 01:09:29.425
and the trust was built

1538
01:09:29.615 --> 01:09:31.505
with all these people working on the same problem.

1539
01:09:32.675 --> 01:09:34.495
It was really interesting, right?

1540
01:09:35.525 --> 01:09:36.825
And I told him,

1541
01:09:37.205 --> 01:09:38.985
you gotta stay on this for a couple of years.

1542
01:09:39.055 --> 01:09:42.665
This isn't gonna be six months. This takes time fast.

1543
01:09:42.845 --> 01:09:44.665
And over time, it just, the people that wanted

1544
01:09:44.665 --> 01:09:46.585
to be involved in the solution got there and,

1545
01:09:46.585 --> 01:09:47.505
and it was food and

1546
01:09:47.505 --> 01:09:48.785
fuel electric, a lot of things like that.

1547
01:09:49.655 --> 01:09:51.525
Let's fast forward at the summit.

1548
01:09:51.935 --> 01:09:53.285
Chris Eisenberg made a comment.

1549
01:09:53.315 --> 01:09:55.725
Many of you heard it, you know, many, they had like 15

1550
01:09:55.785 --> 01:09:58.525
or 20 issues they were all working on.

1551
01:09:58.525 --> 01:10:00.085
And Chris said, you know, those issues that,

1552
01:10:01.995 --> 01:10:05.325
that started this are pretty much not issues anymore.

1553
01:10:05.385 --> 01:10:07.285
You guys remember this when Chris said

1554
01:10:07.285 --> 01:10:08.485
this, it was, it was interesting.

1555
01:10:09.275 --> 01:10:13.855
And so I, I think I'm going back to what worked

1556
01:10:14.695 --> 01:10:17.415
a single problem that's crystal clear, right?

1557
01:10:18.125 --> 01:10:20.975
That you start with private, not state, you start

1558
01:10:20.975 --> 01:10:24.415
with private that and you work a regional level.

1559
01:10:24.415 --> 01:10:26.215
That was the other thing too. We couldn't change anything

1560
01:10:26.215 --> 01:10:28.135
within a state, within our collective power,

1561
01:10:29.015 --> 01:10:32.475
but at a regional level, we could actually do something.

1562
01:10:32.775 --> 01:10:36.375
Um, here we have five directors, right?

1563
01:10:36.405 --> 01:10:39.865
That are pretty big states that have agreed, yeah,

1564
01:10:39.865 --> 01:10:40.985
we wanna work on some things.

1565
01:10:40.985 --> 01:10:43.305
They were crystal clear on a few of the problems, right?

1566
01:10:43.965 --> 01:10:47.065
Um, and maybe we start with that Lee and

1567
01:10:47.065 --> 01:10:50.185
and board to, to say, what is that one thing

1568
01:10:50.185 --> 01:10:51.505
that we can zero in on?

1569
01:10:51.525 --> 01:10:54.385
And we, and we, we, we meet in the problem

1570
01:10:54.565 --> 01:10:56.265
and the solutions will come out of that.

1571
01:10:56.905 --> 01:10:58.345
I think, Lee, one of the things that I,

1572
01:10:58.405 --> 01:10:59.985
and I'll, I'll I'll say this.

1573
01:11:00.045 --> 01:11:01.705
One of the things that you brought up is really important.

1574
01:11:01.825 --> 01:11:05.345
I think Kelly mentioned it was we have to just begin

1575
01:11:06.935 --> 01:11:09.115
and we'll find it as we start.

1576
01:11:09.195 --> 01:11:11.195
And we've already kind of started, we've already had several

1577
01:11:11.725 --> 01:11:13.245
never committees together.

1578
01:11:13.865 --> 01:11:17.125
But one of the things I think the states would love at a

1579
01:11:17.365 --> 01:11:19.605
regional level is to know if we could,

1580
01:11:19.785 --> 01:11:22.765
if we could get a better understanding of capabilities on

1581
01:11:23.465 --> 01:11:27.565
one or two things, we know water is gonna be an issue.

1582
01:11:27.585 --> 01:11:30.775
We know fuel is gonna be an issue.

1583
01:11:30.825 --> 01:11:33.295
Power and electric kind of take care of themselves.

1584
01:11:33.295 --> 01:11:35.015
That there's roads, you know?

1585
01:11:35.715 --> 01:11:37.095
Um, and, and,

1586
01:11:37.115 --> 01:11:40.695
and maybe what this group could do is help define

1587
01:11:40.885 --> 01:11:42.015
what partner means.

1588
01:11:42.995 --> 01:11:44.175
The states can't really do that,

1589
01:11:44.555 --> 01:11:46.995
but we could based on a collective.

1590
01:11:47.575 --> 01:11:49.595
And it would be, it could be cross sector,

1591
01:11:49.595 --> 01:11:51.035
doesn't necessarily have to be retail,

1592
01:11:51.035 --> 01:11:54.355
but retail functions on top of water, comms,

1593
01:11:54.375 --> 01:11:55.675
road's, power, right?

1594
01:11:56.095 --> 01:11:58.395
But Lee, you said something really important in

1595
01:11:58.395 --> 01:11:59.435
the very beginning of the call.

1596
01:11:59.735 --> 01:12:02.675
If you can't feed 'em, if you can't get citizens

1597
01:12:03.145 --> 01:12:05.595
what they need, you can give 'em all the money you want,

1598
01:12:06.395 --> 01:12:07.525
they're not gonna recover.

1599
01:12:07.705 --> 01:12:10.485
So we've covered some gems here, uh,

1600
01:12:11.145 --> 01:12:14.565
Tom, so Tom, I, I think, you know, as I'm listening

1601
01:12:14.565 --> 01:12:17.445
and what I, what I've really seen, the A HCB is,

1602
01:12:17.545 --> 01:12:18.685
is a bit of a think tank.

1603
01:12:19.505 --> 01:12:21.445
You know, like that's, you're, you know, we're,

1604
01:12:21.455 --> 01:12:22.965
we're what are the problems?

1605
01:12:23.115 --> 01:12:24.885
It's a, it's a kind of a think tank.

1606
01:12:24.985 --> 01:12:27.645
And I think what we don't have is the perspective

1607
01:12:27.645 --> 01:12:29.005
that Lee might bring to the table.

1608
01:12:29.145 --> 01:12:30.885
But we do know some of the problems.

1609
01:12:30.965 --> 01:12:32.085
I mean, I'll go back to Sandy

1610
01:12:32.505 --> 01:12:36.565
and, uh, Mike, if, if you remember this, like all, all

1611
01:12:36.565 --> 01:12:38.365
of the point of sale was down.

1612
01:12:39.285 --> 01:12:41.215
Yeah. Right? And that was, um, you know, that

1613
01:12:41.215 --> 01:12:43.415
that was something that really the a HC just out

1614
01:12:43.415 --> 01:12:46.455
of like luck if, if you remember that, Tom, you,

1615
01:12:46.615 --> 01:12:47.855
I, I, I got on a call.

1616
01:12:47.895 --> 01:12:49.135
I said, Tom, I can't stay on this call.

1617
01:12:49.395 --> 01:12:51.495
We can't, you know, EBT cards come out tomorrow

1618
01:12:51.495 --> 01:12:54.415
and we can't feed, we can't, nobody can swipe an EBT card.

1619
01:12:54.635 --> 01:12:56.735
And you know, we already have food deserts in all

1620
01:12:56.735 --> 01:12:57.775
these, uh, cities.

1621
01:12:58.075 --> 01:12:59.335
And you said, Hey, Jim,

1622
01:12:59.355 --> 01:13:01.975
but the other person on the call is you, is you satellite?

1623
01:13:02.005 --> 01:13:04.135
They may know something. They're like, yeah, yeah, we do.

1624
01:13:04.195 --> 01:13:06.295
We know who's up and who's down. And we can tell you.

1625
01:13:06.525 --> 01:13:09.255
Well, and the other thing, you know, goes and, and this Mike

1626
01:13:09.255 --> 01:13:11.375
and I, so I'm sure Cheryl Lee, this is you,

1627
01:13:11.525 --> 01:13:14.175
Walmart sees this on, on, in its grocery side,

1628
01:13:14.175 --> 01:13:15.455
is just in time delivery.

1629
01:13:15.795 --> 01:13:18.015
So there's other issues that we're talking about here

1630
01:13:18.015 --> 01:13:20.255
that like, fit right in, like fleet movement.

1631
01:13:20.565 --> 01:13:23.215
Well, you know, electric restoration.

1632
01:13:23.535 --> 01:13:27.495
I mean, we, we, we don't, you know, do, do we know,

1633
01:13:27.495 --> 01:13:29.975
like do we have, we have the ability now to talk to our,

1634
01:13:30.035 --> 01:13:33.295
our utilities, Hey, we need a restoration in this area.

1635
01:13:33.325 --> 01:13:34.935
It's a large retailer, or,

1636
01:13:35.035 --> 01:13:38.215
or it's the, um, this is the distribution center.

1637
01:13:38.595 --> 01:13:40.055
Um, get a snowstorm.

1638
01:13:40.055 --> 01:13:42.375
Like we just had, you know, are, you know,

1639
01:13:42.395 --> 01:13:45.935
are we given priority to be able to get food to, you know,

1640
01:13:46.155 --> 01:13:48.975
stores where people are gonna be able to, you know, get fed?

1641
01:13:48.975 --> 01:13:50.655
There's a whole bunch of issues there.

1642
01:13:50.715 --> 01:13:53.015
So, I mean, but we gotta know what they are.

1643
01:13:53.155 --> 01:13:55.135
And, and really, you know,

1644
01:13:55.165 --> 01:13:57.895
there's enough people on this call from the public sector

1645
01:13:58.165 --> 01:13:59.775
that know what our issues are,

1646
01:14:00.395 --> 01:14:01.735
but we don't have a,

1647
01:14:01.895 --> 01:14:03.735
a really good handle from the private sector.

1648
01:14:03.915 --> 01:14:06.735
So I think that that's, um, you know, I think

1649
01:14:06.735 --> 01:14:10.695
that the a a C can really can do that

1650
01:14:10.695 --> 01:14:11.725
before it does anything else.

1651
01:14:12.065 --> 01:14:15.805
And it's, it is a, just like that call Tom, like, you know,

1652
01:14:15.905 --> 01:14:18.125
and I know, I know Chris said that's a,

1653
01:14:18.315 --> 01:14:19.565
it's a jersey thing, really.

1654
01:14:19.725 --> 01:14:20.845
I got a guy, you know,

1655
01:14:20.845 --> 01:14:22.045
what are you, what are you looking for?

1656
01:14:22.185 --> 01:14:25.005
Tv? I got a guy. Um, do you want one

1657
01:14:25.075 --> 01:14:26.405
with a warranty or what?

1658
01:14:26.555 --> 01:14:27.805
Just a little bit banged up.

1659
01:14:28.105 --> 01:14:29.205
Um, but, uh,

1660
01:14:30.145 --> 01:14:33.445
but uh, no, I mean it's a, uh, I mean, I,

1661
01:14:33.565 --> 01:14:35.205
I think we could, we could provide that.

1662
01:14:35.285 --> 01:14:38.045
I mean, I, I I, I won't even say we, I can say you guys,

1663
01:14:38.205 --> 01:14:40.645
I mean, there's a lot of experience here on the call.

1664
01:14:41.025 --> 01:14:43.925
Um, but we've talked quite a bit about it in the past.

1665
01:14:43.955 --> 01:14:47.685
Like what, you know, how do basically elec electrical

1666
01:14:47.685 --> 01:14:50.805
restoration is, um, I, I won't say it's solved, but,

1667
01:14:51.065 --> 01:14:53.045
but you know, a lot of those issues are solved

1668
01:14:53.045 --> 01:14:54.245
with moving the fleet around

1669
01:14:54.425 --> 01:14:55.845
and getting people where they need to be.

1670
01:14:56.225 --> 01:14:58.405
But have we identified every place

1671
01:14:58.405 --> 01:14:59.605
that really needs to be restored?

1672
01:14:59.625 --> 01:15:01.365
Is that on everyone, every government list?

1673
01:15:01.365 --> 01:15:03.125
Because you know, what, what are on the list?

1674
01:15:03.225 --> 01:15:04.765
Police stations, hospitals.

1675
01:15:05.345 --> 01:15:08.805
Um, I, I, you know, I, I gotta tell you an issue

1676
01:15:08.805 --> 01:15:10.805
with the captain, with Sandy was that there was no,

1677
01:15:11.195 --> 01:15:13.845
that we gave an exempt, no, nobody could get fuel, right?

1678
01:15:13.985 --> 01:15:15.765
But you had an exemption if you were a, uh,

1679
01:15:15.995 --> 01:15:18.405
emergency worker, you know, who weren't emergency workers,

1680
01:15:18.825 --> 01:15:22.365
the laundry guy at the hospital, the um, gotcha.

1681
01:15:22.995 --> 01:15:26.965
Yeah. The, the custodian, you know, you know,

1682
01:15:26.965 --> 01:15:29.045
the hospital doesn't run just you because doctors

1683
01:15:29.105 --> 01:15:30.285
and nurses get there, but they

1684
01:15:30.285 --> 01:15:31.365
don't know how to fix the toilet.

1685
01:15:31.865 --> 01:15:34.645
Um, so there's a whole bunch of issues

1686
01:15:34.645 --> 01:15:36.005
that I think could get on the table.

1687
01:15:36.465 --> 01:15:37.645
And we've talked about 'em,

1688
01:15:37.645 --> 01:15:40.445
but maybe this is an opportunity to really kind of engage

1689
01:15:40.975 --> 01:15:43.205
folks from the private sector that really want to be part

1690
01:15:43.485 --> 01:15:44.565
of it and realize

1691
01:15:44.565 --> 01:15:46.565
that their engagement here is gonna help

1692
01:15:46.565 --> 01:15:47.805
solve some of their issues.

1693
01:15:48.045 --> 01:15:50.125
'cause we, you know, let's face it, we don't,

1694
01:15:50.585 --> 01:15:51.605
we don't feed people.

1695
01:15:52.225 --> 01:15:53.245
We don't give them water.

1696
01:15:53.435 --> 01:15:55.085
What we don't do, that's not, you know,

1697
01:15:55.305 --> 01:15:57.045
we might give them water we got from somebody else,

1698
01:15:57.145 --> 01:16:00.245
but we need the private sector. No,

1699
01:16:00.725 --> 01:16:01.725
Interesting. You talked about, you

1700
01:16:01.725 --> 01:16:03.085
talked about the trucking.

1701
01:16:03.595 --> 01:16:07.205
When, uh, Sandy came, they had, nobody can move the trucks.

1702
01:16:07.265 --> 01:16:09.925
It was in the state emergency. Nobody can move the trucks.

1703
01:16:09.995 --> 01:16:13.645
Yeah. So we, when we were at the EOC, we said, okay, so

1704
01:16:13.645 --> 01:16:15.685
how are we gonna get the food into the communities?

1705
01:16:16.615 --> 01:16:18.275
We need credentials. Well,

1706
01:16:18.275 --> 01:16:19.675
how are you gonna manage credentials?

1707
01:16:20.155 --> 01:16:23.155
I mean, I, I, we said it's impossible.

1708
01:16:23.205 --> 01:16:24.475
Who's gonna manage credentials?

1709
01:16:24.655 --> 01:16:26.315
So the state police at the time says,

1710
01:16:26.385 --> 01:16:27.435
well, we can manage that.

1711
01:16:27.435 --> 01:16:30.355
They said credentials for every food truck moving

1712
01:16:30.455 --> 01:16:31.595
and every fuel truck.

1713
01:16:32.295 --> 01:16:34.635
And then it got to a point where that one out there window.

1714
01:16:34.835 --> 01:16:35.915
'cause they know they couldn't manage it.

1715
01:16:36.295 --> 01:16:38.035
And then if you saw on the side of the truck,

1716
01:16:38.055 --> 01:16:39.595
it had a food company

1717
01:16:39.775 --> 01:16:42.515
or a fuel company, it was allowed access into the area.

1718
01:16:43.055 --> 01:16:44.595
But one of the things that helped us, Jimmy,

1719
01:16:44.655 --> 01:16:47.515
if you remember, is the, the chief of police association.

1720
01:16:47.585 --> 01:16:50.155
Because we have so many municipalities in the state.

1721
01:16:50.785 --> 01:16:52.195
Once we got them on board

1722
01:16:52.655 --> 01:16:54.355
and once they understood what we were trying to do,

1723
01:16:54.505 --> 01:16:56.435
they felt like they were part of the solution too.

1724
01:16:57.175 --> 01:16:59.315
So that was a big help when we got them,

1725
01:16:59.315 --> 01:17:01.275
because every little town wanted

1726
01:17:01.275 --> 01:17:02.995
to flex their muscle when it came

1727
01:17:02.995 --> 01:17:04.235
to certain, I, I was, I wanted,

1728
01:17:04.585 --> 01:17:06.355
This is a great conversation, Tom.

1729
01:17:06.475 --> 01:17:08.835
I, I, I heard Lee a little bit differently

1730
01:17:09.235 --> 01:17:10.285
from the beginning on here.

1731
01:17:10.305 --> 01:17:12.565
And one of the, one of the things, you know,

1732
01:17:12.995 --> 01:17:14.565
that he was mentioning was, you know,

1733
01:17:14.565 --> 01:17:15.925
changes in the federal government

1734
01:17:16.065 --> 01:17:19.805
and the status quo of kind of how

1735
01:17:20.345 --> 01:17:22.605
larger disasters are resourced.

1736
01:17:23.445 --> 01:17:27.355
And I can go on for days, Lee, about FEMA

1737
01:17:27.355 --> 01:17:29.835
and what resources we really care about from them,

1738
01:17:29.985 --> 01:17:31.715
from a state and municipal perspective.

1739
01:17:32.495 --> 01:17:33.765
Bring your damn checkbook.

1740
01:17:33.765 --> 01:17:35.485
And besides that, stay outta the g*****n way.

1741
01:17:37.105 --> 01:17:39.765
Um, but, and,

1742
01:17:39.865 --> 01:17:41.845
and honestly, the federal government's never been good at

1743
01:17:41.845 --> 01:17:44.165
coordinating the private sector with the public sector

1744
01:17:44.185 --> 01:17:45.805
or the public sector with the public sector.

1745
01:17:46.305 --> 01:17:47.885
And if you want something from fema,

1746
01:17:47.885 --> 01:17:50.045
unless it's an ambulance from their ambulance contract,

1747
01:17:50.545 --> 01:17:52.925
direct federal assistance from another federal agency,

1748
01:17:53.465 --> 01:17:55.325
you're really only looking for their checkbook.

1749
01:17:55.715 --> 01:18:00.645
Okay. Um, so what I heard you say earlier though, was there,

1750
01:18:00.645 --> 01:18:04.525
there's a role for a segment of

1751
01:18:05.625 --> 01:18:08.635
the private sector, those that

1752
01:18:10.145 --> 01:18:12.355
have more to offer than what are asking

1753
01:18:12.455 --> 01:18:14.075
for when something's going on.

1754
01:18:14.405 --> 01:18:19.395
Right? So if, if I'm, if I'm a grocery store,

1755
01:18:19.395 --> 01:18:21.515
if you, if I looked at Walmart from a grocery store owner

1756
01:18:21.515 --> 01:18:23.235
perspective, I'm gonna see, okay, what do you need

1757
01:18:23.235 --> 01:18:24.555
for your grocery store so I can get it open?

1758
01:18:25.515 --> 01:18:27.715
I think what you're saying is Walmart as a company,

1759
01:18:29.035 --> 01:18:33.575
as the nation of Walmart stores can bring some resources

1760
01:18:33.835 --> 01:18:37.615
to bear and some expertise to bear that can help

1761
01:18:38.255 --> 01:18:42.255
a disaster ridden area more in ways

1762
01:18:42.255 --> 01:18:44.255
that maybe they don't get already.

1763
01:18:45.475 --> 01:18:47.415
That's a little bit different of a perspective in the

1764
01:18:47.415 --> 01:18:48.575
conversation around that.

1765
01:18:49.235 --> 01:18:51.495
Um, and, and as you heard here, there's a lot of people,

1766
01:18:51.575 --> 01:18:52.735
a lot of disaster experience

1767
01:18:52.755 --> 01:18:53.775
and a lot of experience working

1768
01:18:53.775 --> 01:18:55.495
with private sector at all sorts of levels.

1769
01:18:56.155 --> 01:18:57.535
The conversation gets really hard.

1770
01:18:58.415 --> 01:19:00.975
'cause most of us evolve to what we know, right?

1771
01:19:01.755 --> 01:19:03.855
And I think what you're bringing is something that's

1772
01:19:04.675 --> 01:19:06.335
not part of that conversation right now.

1773
01:19:06.405 --> 01:19:10.375
It's more along the lines of, hey states particularly,

1774
01:19:11.395 --> 01:19:14.495
and by default from states down to municipalities,

1775
01:19:15.355 --> 01:19:19.375
you are gonna need new partners in this new environment in

1776
01:19:19.375 --> 01:19:20.895
which we're gonna operate disasters in

1777
01:19:20.895 --> 01:19:23.815
where the federal government ain't gonna become riding in

1778
01:19:23.815 --> 01:19:26.295
and they ain't bringing in a big checkbook, right?

1779
01:19:27.115 --> 01:19:28.415
So that's kind of what I heard.

1780
01:19:28.435 --> 01:19:31.055
And, and I think for me, what that deserves,

1781
01:19:31.055 --> 01:19:33.215
what the consortium does really well, let's convene

1782
01:19:33.835 --> 01:19:37.975
the group of folks like yourself that can describe

1783
01:19:38.045 --> 01:19:39.695
that a little bit better.

1784
01:19:40.515 --> 01:19:43.215
In which then we can say, okay, from this description

1785
01:19:43.245 --> 01:19:45.335
with people, you know, other people in the room, state,

1786
01:19:45.335 --> 01:19:48.295
people, others, how does this fit?

1787
01:19:48.295 --> 01:19:49.295
Where, where is there,

1788
01:19:49.295 --> 01:19:50.855
where's there an improvement we can do?

1789
01:19:50.855 --> 01:19:53.855
Or where is there a, a, a a round piece

1790
01:19:53.855 --> 01:19:55.495
that we can fit into a round hole here

1791
01:19:55.725 --> 01:19:57.615
that makes the solution that we're looking for?

1792
01:19:57.635 --> 01:19:58.735
And how do, how do you know?

1793
01:19:59.115 --> 01:20:01.815
And at worse, what that helps you do is frame a little bit

1794
01:20:01.815 --> 01:20:03.455
more of where you're, where you're trying to push into.

1795
01:20:04.175 --> 01:20:06.015
I, I think that's a little bit more of what we could do.

1796
01:20:08.395 --> 01:20:11.095
Tom. I'll offer a quote that I think gets at the heart of

1797
01:20:11.095 --> 01:20:13.055
what we do and can do for each other.

1798
01:20:13.605 --> 01:20:15.695
There's a quote by Dwight Eisenhower

1799
01:20:16.675 --> 01:20:19.455
and he said, I found that in preparing for battle

1800
01:20:20.225 --> 01:20:23.695
plans are useless, but planning is indispensable.

1801
01:20:26.735 --> 01:20:28.915
Hey, thank you Tom. I just wanna pay attention to time.

1802
01:20:29.015 --> 01:20:30.435
Lee, would you be willing to come back

1803
01:20:30.435 --> 01:20:31.675
and drill into this deeper?

1804
01:20:32.095 --> 01:20:35.235
Um, I, I could tell this is gonna be a good use case.

1805
01:20:35.555 --> 01:20:38.315
'cause in the beginning the good ones get really murky

1806
01:20:39.045 --> 01:20:42.625
and then out of this crap, it emerges one, the one thing.

1807
01:20:42.625 --> 01:20:43.945
And it's like, let's start there.

1808
01:20:44.125 --> 01:20:47.865
And what we start with is never what we end with, right?

1809
01:20:48.375 --> 01:20:49.465
It's never what we end,

1810
01:20:49.485 --> 01:20:51.145
but we build the trust in the process.

1811
01:20:52.165 --> 01:20:54.625
And like I said, we know something's gotta change.

1812
01:20:55.445 --> 01:20:58.865
We all know that we, we may not find what yet,

1813
01:20:58.865 --> 01:21:00.705
but I think this is a good place to start.

1814
01:21:01.285 --> 01:21:03.705
Um, so Chris,

1815
01:21:03.705 --> 01:21:05.665
we got some board business we gotta jump to real quick.

1816
01:21:05.685 --> 01:21:06.945
Lee, thank you very much. We

1817
01:21:06.945 --> 01:21:08.305
appreciate the time, Lee. Thanks.

1818
01:21:08.555 --> 01:21:12.345
We'll, thank you. Um, I mean this, this is, um, this,

1819
01:21:12.455 --> 01:21:14.505
this is not something that we're gonna solve in one

1820
01:21:14.505 --> 01:21:15.905
afternoon, certainly.

1821
01:21:16.085 --> 01:21:19.185
Uh, so, uh, the conversation will absolutely continue.

1822
01:21:19.205 --> 01:21:23.385
And, um, any, any time, Tom, uh, just gimme a holler.

1823
01:21:23.605 --> 01:21:24.825
Um, I'm always there for you.

1824
01:21:25.355 --> 01:21:28.985
Great. Thank you Lee. Take care. Thank you, Lee.

1825
01:21:29.155 --> 01:21:31.465
Sorry, I didn't mean to blow anything up.

1826
01:21:31.585 --> 01:21:34.305
I, I love the open conversations. It's great.

1827
01:21:34.375 --> 01:21:36.065
This is, this is an open conversation.

1828
01:21:36.285 --> 01:21:40.785
You love blowing things up. Open conversation. Beautiful.

1829
01:21:41.685 --> 01:21:42.685
Bye.

1830
01:21:43.135 --> 01:21:47.135
Okay, very good. Uh, just a couple.

1831
01:21:47.375 --> 01:21:49.215
I mean, we're not, I don't wanna go past six,

1832
01:21:49.315 --> 01:21:53.095
but, uh, um, thoughts or comments?

1833
01:21:53.235 --> 01:21:55.255
And then we should at least approve the minutes.

1834
01:21:55.315 --> 01:21:56.775
We can pick up the other stuff later.

1835
01:21:56.795 --> 01:21:59.695
We don't have a finance update from what was last month.

1836
01:22:00.635 --> 01:22:04.535
Um, so Chris, why don't we, why don't we discuss her? I'll

1837
01:22:04.535 --> 01:22:05.535
Put the motion on the board, Tom,

1838
01:22:05.535 --> 01:22:06.455
for the minutes I went through.

1839
01:22:06.925 --> 01:22:11.775
Okay. A second. I second. Second it. Okay. All in favor?

1840
01:22:12.635 --> 01:22:15.775
Aye. Aye. Aye. Okay. Aye. Ruth, thank you.

1841
01:22:16.395 --> 01:22:20.655
Um, before we drop, um, thoughts or feedback,

1842
01:22:22.795 --> 01:22:23.835
I think we need to drill it some

1843
01:22:23.835 --> 01:22:24.875
more Tom, more conversation.

1844
01:22:24.875 --> 01:22:26.715
Okay. I think he's got an idea.

1845
01:22:27.555 --> 01:22:29.475
I think he's got it in his head how it's really helpful.

1846
01:22:29.935 --> 01:22:33.475
We need to help him flush that out and flesh that out

1847
01:22:33.475 --> 01:22:34.515
and see what it really looks like.

1848
01:22:34.935 --> 01:22:38.715
One thing that I saw as we prepared for the panel

1849
01:22:39.815 --> 01:22:42.195
in, in, uh, Conshohocken

1850
01:22:43.465 --> 01:22:47.465
was Kelly facilitated a call, um,

1851
01:22:48.525 --> 01:22:49.945
in Kelly's style.

1852
01:22:51.325 --> 01:22:55.275
And the call immediately turned to,

1853
01:22:56.335 --> 01:23:01.255
um, you

1854
01:23:01.295 --> 01:23:03.335
know, laughing and the whole whole, the whole mood change.

1855
01:23:03.355 --> 01:23:04.935
But one of the things I saw with Lee

1856
01:23:04.985 --> 01:23:08.285
and the other sectors, right, was a willingness

1857
01:23:08.385 --> 01:23:11.835
to work together, uh, at a regional level.

1858
01:23:13.105 --> 01:23:14.165
And I say regional

1859
01:23:14.165 --> 01:23:17.245
because state by state it's too fricking hard.

1860
01:23:18.135 --> 01:23:19.625
They're not structured that way.

1861
01:23:20.365 --> 01:23:24.595
But when Russ called the states together, okay,

1862
01:23:25.805 --> 01:23:30.425
um, the directors came right

1863
01:23:31.925 --> 01:23:34.265
on the first invite, they came together

1864
01:23:34.845 --> 01:23:37.545
and at the summit what they all came back with,

1865
01:23:37.565 --> 01:23:40.665
and Ira, I'll include you as well, what they,

1866
01:23:40.665 --> 01:23:41.985
what they all came back with.

1867
01:23:41.985 --> 01:23:44.945
They had problems they had to solve with private sector.

1868
01:23:46.015 --> 01:23:48.985
Okay? Um, each state got to pick three.

1869
01:23:50.895 --> 01:23:53.515
Um, the one that keeps surfacing

1870
01:23:53.515 --> 01:23:55.955
that is we gotta figure out a way to

1871
01:23:55.975 --> 01:23:59.095
how are we gonna handle the first 30 days, right?

1872
01:23:59.595 --> 01:24:02.695
How do we respond and early recovery,

1873
01:24:02.875 --> 01:24:04.055
and that's infrastructure

1874
01:24:05.245 --> 01:24:07.985
and food, water, shelter, meds, things like that.

1875
01:24:08.805 --> 01:24:11.745
Uh, I think, I think the more specific they

1876
01:24:11.745 --> 01:24:12.825
can get, the easier it is.

1877
01:24:12.825 --> 01:24:15.145
But what I saw, the private sector was a willingness,

1878
01:24:15.145 --> 01:24:16.505
and these are just the six that were there.

1879
01:24:16.505 --> 01:24:19.105
We had 51 all chimed in on our report.

1880
01:24:19.105 --> 01:24:23.425
We issued in June 51, 31 agreed to be mentioned. Right?

1881
01:24:24.245 --> 01:24:25.825
So I think there's, there's smoke here.

1882
01:24:25.865 --> 01:24:26.905
I don't know what it is, Chris,

1883
01:24:27.005 --> 01:24:29.705
but, um, I think Lee is onto something.

1884
01:24:29.705 --> 01:24:31.305
And I think the directors would love

1885
01:24:31.305 --> 01:24:33.945
to have a place they could come right?

1886
01:24:34.455 --> 01:24:39.005
When they need expertise or resource

1887
01:24:39.185 --> 01:24:42.685
or help in these specific areas, right?

1888
01:24:42.685 --> 01:24:44.005
We're not gonna reinvent a chamber

1889
01:24:44.065 --> 01:24:45.165
of commerce kind of thing.

1890
01:24:45.225 --> 01:24:48.685
But if we could get really good right?

1891
01:24:48.875 --> 01:24:51.205
With retail foot, you know, and fuel,

1892
01:24:51.345 --> 01:24:54.445
and we're doing that anyway, I'm just thinking out loud.

1893
01:24:54.645 --> 01:24:56.845
'cause I'm really looking for what is something action we

1894
01:24:56.845 --> 01:24:58.725
could take and finance it, right?

1895
01:24:58.725 --> 01:25:00.245
That's why we, we have to,

1896
01:25:00.245 --> 01:25:01.845
we cannot do this without financing.

1897
01:25:01.845 --> 01:25:03.125
We gotta figure out a way to do that.

1898
01:25:03.745 --> 01:25:07.285
Um, and the small companies will ride in on the big on the

1899
01:25:07.285 --> 01:25:08.645
process we create with the big companies.

1900
01:25:08.645 --> 01:25:09.765
That's how we did the fleet work group.

1901
01:25:09.785 --> 01:25:12.925
We moved policy and process with big companies

1902
01:25:12.925 --> 01:25:14.325
and all the little guys ride on that.

1903
01:25:15.285 --> 01:25:17.045
'cause it's fixed. So anyway,

1904
01:25:17.105 --> 01:25:18.365
I'm just sharing my thoughts

1905
01:25:18.365 --> 01:25:19.685
here as we go. Mike, you gotta,

1906
01:25:20.475 --> 01:25:22.565
Well, I was thinking about that discussion you

1907
01:25:22.565 --> 01:25:24.965
and I had with Greg Ferrara from the National

1908
01:25:24.965 --> 01:25:26.125
Grocers Association.

1909
01:25:26.125 --> 01:25:30.705
Yeah. You know, and, uh, uh, he was, he, you know, I I,

1910
01:25:30.855 --> 01:25:31.905
Greg is willing to help.

1911
01:25:32.185 --> 01:25:36.545
I mean, and he can bring in, uh, he's, he's the, uh, for,

1912
01:25:36.545 --> 01:25:38.425
for those, uh, Tom

1913
01:25:38.425 --> 01:25:40.305
and I had a discussion with him this past week,

1914
01:25:40.885 --> 01:25:43.425
and, uh, he, um, he's the president

1915
01:25:43.425 --> 01:25:47.185
of the National Grocers Association, very similar to FMI,

1916
01:25:47.185 --> 01:25:49.025
but he represents more of the wholesalers

1917
01:25:49.025 --> 01:25:50.665
and small retailers in the United States.

1918
01:25:50.725 --> 01:25:53.345
Not the big guys like Publix, Walmart, and everything else.

1919
01:25:53.345 --> 01:25:54.625
That's part of FMI.

1920
01:25:55.405 --> 01:25:58.185
And he just had a conference in Las Vegas.

1921
01:25:58.215 --> 01:26:00.585
They had over 4,000 people attend.

1922
01:26:01.605 --> 01:26:04.525
So he would do anything to help us

1923
01:26:05.135 --> 01:26:06.965
bring in the small guy into it,

1924
01:26:06.965 --> 01:26:08.925
because the small guys don't have an infrastructure

1925
01:26:09.435 --> 01:26:11.005
they don't know even know where to turn.

1926
01:26:11.225 --> 01:26:13.365
So they would love to hear what we had to say.

1927
01:26:14.145 --> 01:26:17.805
And some of them don't even have a link in that, you know,

1928
01:26:17.805 --> 01:26:21.525
private sector liaison piece into their own home state.

1929
01:26:21.745 --> 01:26:24.005
So I, I think there's, there's a lot

1930
01:26:24.005 --> 01:26:25.565
that we can play into that.

1931
01:26:25.665 --> 01:26:28.005
And I think, I don't know who said it, I think it was Kelly

1932
01:26:28.145 --> 01:26:31.485
or somebody else about the coordination of just

1933
01:26:32.025 --> 01:26:34.525
us being the conduit to bring these folks together

1934
01:26:35.865 --> 01:26:36.865
And to each other. What

1935
01:26:36.865 --> 01:26:39.645
are the benefits? One of the benefits, Mike, is power.

1936
01:26:40.055 --> 01:26:43.565
Power and retail don't have a chance to talk blue sky

1937
01:26:44.055 --> 01:26:45.245
Cross sector. And

1938
01:26:45.245 --> 01:26:46.725
That cross sector piece is magic.

1939
01:26:47.185 --> 01:26:48.885
We, we talked about that all the time.

1940
01:26:49.055 --> 01:26:51.765
Cross sector reliance on cross sector,

1941
01:26:52.305 --> 01:26:54.125
uh, is unbelievable.

1942
01:26:54.445 --> 01:26:56.525
I mean, that was the, that was the value I think the

1943
01:26:56.885 --> 01:26:59.405
companies had and of participating in it

1944
01:26:59.945 --> 01:27:01.405
was they got a chance really to,

1945
01:27:01.405 --> 01:27:02.685
to meet and talk with each other.

1946
01:27:02.745 --> 01:27:05.045
And there's, they're continuing to do that. So, um,

1947
01:27:05.145 --> 01:27:07.285
So Tom, I see an umbrella of the private sector.

1948
01:27:07.605 --> 01:27:10.765
I see private sector liaisons working on what's the job

1949
01:27:10.765 --> 01:27:13.045
of a private sector liaison, whatever that title of

1950
01:27:13.045 --> 01:27:14.485
that thing is, what the document

1951
01:27:14.485 --> 01:27:17.725
or whatever, you know, what's job description, it's a,

1952
01:27:17.955 --> 01:27:18.965
it's whatever, right?

1953
01:27:18.965 --> 01:27:21.405
Something they need to solidify that. Mm-hmm.

1954
01:27:21.545 --> 01:27:23.205
And then that can be floated, you know,

1955
01:27:23.465 --> 01:27:24.725
as, you know, potential.

1956
01:27:24.725 --> 01:27:27.165
And then there's this other stuff that Lee's talking about

1957
01:27:27.165 --> 01:27:29.125
of how to, you know, the bigger level ones

1958
01:27:29.125 --> 01:27:30.325
participate at a higher level.

1959
01:27:31.065 --> 01:27:33.205
So I think there's an umbrella here that we need to kind of

1960
01:27:34.225 --> 01:27:35.525
get a couple of these things

1961
01:27:35.665 --> 01:27:38.045
and, you know, yeah, you can't do one, you can't,

1962
01:27:38.345 --> 01:27:40.445
if the private sector liaisons don't have a solid job

1963
01:27:40.445 --> 01:27:43.165
and they don't understand what their solid job is, then

1964
01:27:44.425 --> 01:27:45.425
No, it's not gonna work.

1965
01:27:45.675 --> 01:27:48.605
Yeah. I mean, it's like, and, and Ira knows this too.

1966
01:27:49.345 --> 01:27:52.605
You go to one o, one EOC, you've seen one EOC, you know.

1967
01:27:53.345 --> 01:27:57.685
But for the most part, if you walked into New York City,

1968
01:27:57.895 --> 01:28:00.245
OEM's, EOC, and you walked into DC's, EOC,

1969
01:28:00.815 --> 01:28:03.165
after you look for a second, you'll see the functionality

1970
01:28:03.185 --> 01:28:04.925
and you'll see other, they're pretty much the same.

1971
01:28:05.585 --> 01:28:06.645
May not look exactly the same,

1972
01:28:06.645 --> 01:28:08.125
but they're gonna function pretty close to the same.

1973
01:28:13.645 --> 01:28:17.605
I apologize, I have to drop. This was very enjoyable.

1974
01:28:17.985 --> 01:28:20.365
So, uh, looking forward to, to many more.

1975
01:28:20.955 --> 01:28:23.125
Well, we're, this is, we're in the foundation.

1976
01:28:23.125 --> 01:28:24.525
This is where it's dark and muddy

1977
01:28:24.525 --> 01:28:26.445
and cold as we kinda work through it. But

1978
01:28:26.505 --> 01:28:29.045
Ira, IRA, don't say drop, just so you have to leave.

1979
01:28:30.285 --> 01:28:31.525
I have to step away for the moment.

1980
01:28:32.425 --> 01:28:35.685
All right. All right. Motion to adjourn.

1981
01:28:37.225 --> 01:28:39.885
Second. Second. Always a pleasure to see you guys.

1982
01:28:43.175 --> 01:28:43.645
Thank you.